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Title: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 23, 2008, 02:18:14 PM
I have heard mixed things about Pro CG balls, most sites say the exact same thing, once reserved for only the PBA now made avaible to the public. One thing i know is you can do more advanced drills without the use of a weight hole, which in a non PR CG ball you would need one. But then a couple bowlers said that they are blems, which i have not seen on any research website i have looked at. So basically is there anything i should know about a Pro CG ball before i drill mine up???
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 23, 2008, 10:22:41 PM
If you're left handed....they can really suck since you have no idea what you're getting.  I had one and it allowed only a couple drillings, and the reaction sucked....so beware.
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Tuesday Sweeper: 223
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 23, 2008, 10:25:07 PM
I am right handed so i think i am safe there, what was the reaction like???
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Xfest on March 23, 2008, 10:26:37 PM
Pro CG balls are money for me. The farther out or in the cg really helps you get some movement in your ball. Say you have a ball with the cg 2 inches left, you can easily place the cg in the palm and kick the mb out to a stronger position. I do the same with cg's to the right.. put the CG kicked out and put the MB near the thumb, and its money all day. They are a good buy to me.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Hogsharley on March 23, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
They can minimize your drilling options.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: River700 on March 23, 2008, 10:32:28 PM
I have a pro cg storm passion, the cg is like 2 inches to the left of the line from the pin to the rad and it roles so smooth but hooks in the middle and backend. It is really strong on oil with some surface.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 23, 2008, 10:52:05 PM
Because i have a Pro CG Cell in 14, i want to drill it so it is smooth and so it out hooks my Bite which is smooth, but still has the Black Widow back end. So how would i drill it up to do that.
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learn to love your bad strikes, 'cause your good ones usually leave the corners
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 23, 2008, 10:54:55 PM
I had a pro cg storm paradigm domination...it reacted like plastic and hit like a marshmellow.
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2007-08 Averages:

Monday: 211
Tuesday Sweeper: 223
Friday: 228
Michigan Majors: 208
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: adman on March 24, 2008, 07:55:56 AM
Your lucky to get one with the CG only out of line by 2 inches. My Dad ordered a Pro CG Cell and the CG was off by 4inches to the left. It really limited the drilling options.
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Jorge300 on March 24, 2008, 08:43:51 AM
Pro CG, Pro pins.......all a bunch of hype. Two or three years ago, these balls were sold as seconds or blems for a discount. What it is is a pin or cg that is kicked out of a "normal" position, i.e. a ball with a 6-7 inch pin, a CG kicked out 2-4 or more inches, etc. Then one day some pro decided to try one of these found a drilling that worked on it and scored well. And now all of a sudden these blems are now "Pro" balls, and guess what instead of a blem being sold for a discount, they are sold for full price, some even $10-$20 more then full price. Yes you can do some exotic drillings on these that you may not be able to on a ball with a normal pin or cg. But basically its a scam to sell balls that used to be discounted at full price. And the kikcer is, some of these balls have the pins or cg's so out of place it actually limits the number of drillings you can put on it and almost makes them worthless.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Locke on March 24, 2008, 06:26:21 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen just about every bowling sale site and I have never seen them sold for more. Storm or Roto Grip actually charges less to the site for them so if you are finding them sold for more that is the site. Also, if you are ordering a pro CG you should have a drilling in mind and then you can request a CG placement. That way you don't get one of those crazy CG's.
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Hogsharley on March 24, 2008, 07:41:32 PM
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen just about every bowling sale site and I have never seen them sold for more. Storm or Roto Grip actually charges less to the site for them so if you are finding them sold for more that is the site. Also, if you are ordering a pro CG you should have a drilling in mind and then you can request a CG placement. That way you don't get one of those crazy CG's.


They are usually sold $10 to $15 less than what a 1st quality ball would sell for. If you get a 6" pin that's not the worst thing but i've heard of some pro pins with an 10" to 11" pin. How in the world can you drill it. When you order these balls you just don't know what you're going to get. It's a crapshoot. IMO, it's not worth the $10 to $15 savings.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: RocketNJ on March 24, 2008, 08:57:39 PM
Just got a Cell with cg in palm and pin about 12:30 position from ring and mb kicked out almost 40 degrees. Very strong drilling.

Ball is a monster oob finish. Love it!

Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 24, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
Mine isnt a pro pin, its a pro cg they really cant mess up a pro cg too bad. It hardly matters to begin with. Max it might be 2" ofset from the normal CG placement. I dont think it will affect it that much
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: hammermike2000 on March 24, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Actually it could be off by much more than 2"...most of the time 2" out of line isnt even considered pro cg.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 24, 2008, 09:22:06 PM
How much could it possible be off, anything less than 5 is still drillable, but beyond that it might get a little trickier
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learn to love your bad strikes, 'cause your good ones usually leave the corners
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: hammermike2000 on March 24, 2008, 09:32:11 PM
As far off as you could possibly think of.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 24, 2008, 09:36:20 PM
I have the simplest solution known to man...When it comes and if the cg is to unbearable, i can just return it, get a refund and use the money to buy a regular one. But if it allows me to drill it the way i want to pin next to ring finger, or pin under fingers on bridge. Then i shouldnt have any problems
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learn to love your bad strikes, 'cause your good ones usually leave the corners
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: shelley on March 24, 2008, 09:43:01 PM
"Pro-CG and pro-pin, once reserved for professionals now available to the public" sure does sound a whole long nicer than "our manufacturing process is not tight enough to eliminate mistakes, and instead of throwing these in the ball chipper, we're selling them to you", doesn't it?

"Once reserved for the pros" is spin on the fact that pros can generally get away with more oddball drillings and they know what the limitations or benefits of a certain layout will mean for their game.  They'll find that one lane condition that a ball works great on and won't worry that it's too condition-specific to be used more often.  Most league bowlers would be upset to drill a ball that worked on one shot and that's it.

If you're not getting a deal, don't bother.  Most assuredly don't pay full price.  Know that you might be limited in your options.

SH
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: shelley on March 24, 2008, 09:50:01 PM
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If you get a 6" pin that's not the worst thing but i've heard of some pro pins with an 10" to 11" pin. How in the world can you drill it.


The 10 or 11" pin is easier than the 6" pin.  Flip the ball over, mark the spot 13.5" from the pin (180* from the pin; the south pole if the pin is the north pole), use that spot like you would use the pin.  Instead of a 10" pin, you have a 3.5" anti-pin.  Who can't drill a ball with a 3.5" pin?

You're inverting the core, which is what some companies do with their ball releases anyway.  There are a few Rotos like that, the Silver Streak/RS line.  There's the Fired Up/Spit Fire.  Same ball, inverted core.

SH
Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: astraighthook01 on March 24, 2008, 09:53:01 PM
Does and inverted core do anything to the performance of the ball
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: hammermike2000 on March 24, 2008, 10:01:59 PM
Heck, it could improve the performance.  My only 800 was with a 8" pin clash that I drilled using the anti-pin.
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Title: Re: Pro CG, benefit or risk
Post by: Mustang Guy on March 24, 2008, 10:11:51 PM
Usually the most you will notice when inverting the core in drilling only is a decrease in overall differential.  Often times when we invert cores and change the design we can still manipulate the shape enough to get the rg & differential where we want it.

By simply inverting the core in the layout just the rg and differential changes.


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