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rackattack

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Roto guys CG no madda?
« on: March 08, 2007, 09:48:39 PM »
I won a Horizon Solid last night and I looked at the drill sheet and they make no mention of the cg.It appears I just need to map out the MB and make my decisions based on that.
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DerHornen

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 07:26:31 AM »
The CG typically doesn't do much for you on balls with a strong MB.  I would say the placement of the MB will have more influence on reaction than CG.  Just make sure your statics are good.

rackattack

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 07:57:58 AM »
Thanks Der.
this is my first Roto in about thirty years so I'm looking for advie from those who know.
the description says solid but it appears to have some mica in it.I assume for looks.
I'm hoping this to fit above my Angular One.
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BackToBasics

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2007, 08:34:29 AM »
rackattack:

This is not Roto's opinion but my own after years of drilling and experimenting on  hundreds of balls.  Ignore the CG.  If it's a asymmetrical ball, make sure the MB is placed to match the breakpoint shape you want. If it's symmetrical, place the CG (say with 3/4oz ending side) in such a way so that if you need a weighthole,  you can later tweak the reaction.  

Just to give you a heads up in case because it's not clear what you mean by "above my Angular One".  You'll get a different look from the Horizon than the Angular One because of coverstock and core differences.  I had an Angular One before joining Roto.  The AO is a strong asymmetrical pearl which means it's really strong downlane.  The HS is a sanded solid that's strong throughout the whole lane.  It's more midlane read.  The AO may end up hooking more because of how many boards it covers in the backend.  If you wanted more overall hook but with the same strong backend, then the Odyssey is the perfect choice.
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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 11:33:49 AM »
I asked this very question in regards to the Epic line drill sheet to Rotogrip President Hank Boomershine and he was gracious enough to respond with the following:

“The CG position will dictate where the weight hole will fall.  The two most important factors are pin distance from the PAP and Mass bias distance from the PAP.  Where the cg falls dictates placement of the hole.  Some balls may require a hole while others may not due to the location of the cg. “

I was impressed that the Hank himself would take the time out of his day to respond to my email as rudimentary as I am sure it was to him. It’s just another testament to the quality customer service that Rotogrip provides.

nospareball

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 01:52:20 PM »
I have a RSX drilled up with the CG just right of grip center Pin right of ring.  According to the drill sheet this would place the MB under the thumb, maybe a tad to the left.  I got it used so I didn't want to lay out the cash to have the entire thing plugged so i=I just moved the thumb.  I was concerned at first that putting the MB there would really tame the ball.  But in reality the ball moves like no other.  Nice midlane and giant backend.

I'm no expert but why would a MB really matter on a symmetrical ball?

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 02:56:35 PM »
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I'm no expert but why would a MB really matter on a symmetrical ball?


It doesn't.  When you mark the MB by drawing a line from the pin through the CG the way the RG drill sheets suggest, you're not really ignoring the CG like you do on a true MB ball.  Marking the MB on symmetric balls just lets you use the same techniques for symmetric balls as asymmetric, i.e., you treat everything as an asymmetric and use the pin-MB.  From the driller's perspective, everything lays out the same and everything follows the same set of rules.  No separate rules for sym vs. asym.

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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 03:28:25 PM »
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I'm no expert but why would a MB really matter on a symmetrical ball?


All balls have a MB, before and after drilling, whenever there is any shape of core or pencake or even just the filler shifted to produce a CG, there will be a MB, just the matter of strong or weak.  Hence the MB location after drilled is very important, its to define the break point shape, however with this is a tough argument on actually what bowlers see on the lane, coz rev rate, ball speed, surface prep, axis rotation, axis tile, lane conditions, all can play a roll, but if all these are constant, you should be able to differentiate the break point shapes.
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Re: Roto guys CG no madda?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 04:21:12 PM »
achappy,
My Angular is drilled with the MB in the thumb hole.I bought it used and that was the drill.This set up makes the Angular move in a smooth continous arc which is my preference.My Angular turns a lot less boards than others I've seen but I'm very satisfied.If the Roto can give me the same look with a little more pop I'll be happy.By the numbers the proper layout will work but if it don't I will not be upset.The ball cost $5 so how can I go wrong?I bought the ticket because I wanted to try a Horizon and in the end I'll judge the ball on it's own merit which I'm confident will be positive.

And an added bonus is I like this forum.Upbeat and positive works for me.
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