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Jish

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mid vs. high performance
« on: January 28, 2006, 11:20:58 PM »
Just in general terms, how much do you give up with respect to hitting power, reaction, carry etc. between the two? Do you sacrifice any at all as long as you use the correct ball for the conditions and the balls selected match up to the bowler? This has been something I have struggled with for a long time. I like the more affordability of the mid performance balls, more so now that I am divorced and have two young adults going off to college soon in my care, but would sacrifice a couple of pieces of equiptment and go with high performance stuff if it made that much difference. The reason I post this here is I really am drawn to roto's mid performance line but need all the help I can get as I am not as physically talented as I would like to be but still strive to keep up with the so called big boy's. Before anyone mention's coaching, I have been coached and am a pretty good coach myself, just lack some talent. Some people just have it and some people don't. We'll, enough of that. If you have any thought's on this your responses will be appreciated. Thanks.

 

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2006, 12:10:24 PM »
I don't think you're ever going to see the difference between the two. It's far too subtle of a difference for us mere mortals to see.

I'd go w/ the Mid-price line,...you can't go wrong!
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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2006, 12:39:02 PM »
To be honest, I think the only reason companies charge extra for "high performance" equipment is because they can. And we continue to pay for it.

I average about 190, and have for a few years, with a mixture of high- and mid-performance (or as it should be called, high- and mid-priced) equipment, and I can't tell any positive or negative difference in any of it.

The three best balls I've bought in the last five years are a Storm Dark Thunder, a Roto Grip Silver Streak SSSE and a Storm X-Factor. That's a mid, a mid-high and a high-priced ball, each. Aside from their inherent characteristics, there doesn't seem to be any difference in build quality or consistency of performance.

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2006, 02:37:13 PM »
I may have not been clear, but the obvious implication in my post was that you should select the best ball for your style regardless of whether it costs $250 or $100. Matchup is more important than simply looking in a catalog and skipping past all the sub-$200 balls.

I've found, though much trial and error, that my game and the conditions I bowl under match up best with lower-RG, higher-diff equipment, with a certain shape (or basic shape characteristic) of core and a surface that is falls between about 800-1000 matte-sanded and if it's a pearl, it needs to not be ultra-slick and/or tame.

Three of the balls in my current four-ball arsenal (an original Storm Thunder, the Storm Dark Thunder and the Roto Grip Silver Streak SE) fit that bill. If you look at cores, while the Thunder and Dark Thunder are virtually identical (the Dark is basically a Thunder, flipped -- which was the old Thunder Road) and while they're not identical to the SSSE, they are similar in shape (as it pertains to height, width and where the higher-density area is within the core). My fourth ball is an Ebonite Elements Ice, which is greatly different from the first three and is there to serve a niche purpose -- when the heads at my home house dry out and get messy, which they do at least once every three weeks, and the other three balls aren't clearing the heads as well.

As it relates to my game, I can't get a super-sanded ball to clear the heads unless I'm bowling in the oil collection pit at the local Jiffy Lube. And a ball that has a very tame surface doesn't have enough recovery for me when I inevitably start pushing right, which is generally the first place I screw up.

My basic point was I haven't bought a truly bad bowling ball in years, even when it didn't match up to my game. I remember getting an AMF Bull Whip and requesting a certain drill -- well, the ball did just what I asked for, it just didn't do something I could control.

I would encourage anyone to find what works for them, then purchase accordingly, even if that meant buying something cheap. We have a guy on a local league who carries 220, but he got into a "slump" -- meaning, he averaged a lowly 190 for a month -- and went through three or four new resin balls, before getting his hands on an old Columbia 300 Black U-dot. Since then, he's shot 279 twice and 289 once. He likes the smooth, direct line that ball gives him. It wouldn't work for my game but it definitely works for him.

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2006, 04:42:35 PM »
I have not thrown Roto Grip equipment, but it has been my experience that manufacturers like to use their high end lines for expirementation and balls for very specific lane conditions.  This leads to a lot of disappointment when the technology doesn't seem to work (see EPX-T1 by Columbia) or when people try to use them for something they weren't made to do.

Mid-price balls are more often maded using more proven designs and are often geared to be a jacks of all trades instead of just being for specific conditions.  I think this is probably why a lot of people tend to favor the mid priced balls.

I personally throw Dyno Thane stuff and find the extra $40 for their high end line is definitely worth.  I don't know that the balls definitely carry better than their mids, but the coverstock technology is much better, and I think winds up more than paying for the difference in price with the added longevity you get.
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Jish

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2006, 07:11:52 PM »
Thanks everyone for your responses. All the thoughts I had about this seemed to come out in all your posts. Guess I just needed some reassurence. Seems that with the wide selection of balls out there today by different companys you can always find one in whatever price range you look for thats matches what works for you. I guess I just always do my usual, should I spend the extra money, will it make me better or will the lesser price piece do just as well. Thanks again.

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2006, 08:22:28 PM »
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the only real difference between high, and mid, is gonna be the weight blocks.



not always true.

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 with drill patterns and cover stocks today, you can get a mid ball to do what a high ball does.hope this helps.


not always true.

sorry. but for whatever it's worth I prefer mid-priced balls 9 times out 10, 47-48 times out of 50.

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Re: mid vs. high performance
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2006, 08:46:13 PM »
Something to keep in mind, the "mid-performance" ball of today was the "high-performance" ball of yesterday.  Just look at all the balls with the Thunder (or a variation of it) weight block by Storm, or the BVP line by Brunswick (they have some recycled cores, right?). Part of what you are paying for is the R&D that goes into a new ball.

You're not going to get a mid price to react just like a high price ball, BUT you can get a mid price to fill the spot which would be held by a high price.  There are mid range balls for every lane condition, so as long as you don't buy a light oil ball with plans of making it your oiler, you should be ok.
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