splendorlex,
Just got them today, punched the SAGA, but not the Venus yet, will try the SAGA tomorrow night, might wait a bit on the Venus. Saga drilled pin under ring 45 MB on VAL, X-hole 1 1/2 below PAP on VAL. Looking for decent midlane with hard arc at the back, had the Epic drilled the same, by nature of the cover it should be a bit more angular than the Epic.
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Laufaye