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splendorlex

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Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« on: May 09, 2007, 03:21:27 PM »
I've finally figured out that I prefer stuff that makes a smooth transition, nothing fancy, that I can control in tougher tournament conditions, as well as help me make dealing with transition easier on the THS.  The Pain and Mean Machine are two balls I've found this kind of reaction with, and I'm looking to try something in the Roto line for that purpose.  I want a versatile ball that transitions smoothly when it hits the dry, not too jumpy.  A hard arc, with a nice, powerful roll is what I'm looking for.  Thoughts?  A couple that I have my eye on are the Saturn and the Venus.
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 06:30:34 AM »
Splendor,
I would reccomend the Horizon Solid...its the definition of smooth.  Just keep it OOB.  I don't have a Saturn but I do have a Venus.  The Venus can be smooth, but you are going to have to make a cover change.  I went down to 800 and then put a slight polish on mine.  Otherwise your going to get a lot of snap downlane.
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 06:53:44 AM »
Yes the H.S. is the definition of smooth in box prep a powerful rolling arc on the back end will ignore carrydown it does require oil up front. If the heads and mids are blowing out then the Saturn would be the choice as it has a weaker cover.
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 07:06:27 AM »
I'm with everyone else the "Horizon Solid" nice and smooth, keep it o.o.b.
If the heads and mids are blowing out then switch to the "Horizon" its a pearl.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 07:33:03 AM »
What about the Mystic if you are talking Horizons?
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 07:37:47 AM »
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Thoughts?  A couple that I have my eye on are the Saturn and the Venus.


Hey man if you end up getting the Venus let me know what you think compared to some of your other balls because I know someone who really wants one of those.  Well, I also want one but probably won't be able to buy one any time soon.

I am thinking either doing a Mystic or a Venus...

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 07:44:00 AM »
Ryan,

I agree with what has been said about the Horizon Solid.  Very nice rolling, smooth arc.  I have rolled a friend's MM along side the HS and I think the HS is better.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2007, 08:14:50 AM »
I would also come up with a good drilling strategy with the pro shop because it sounds like you really want something to just roll and be controllable.  That Helios core in the Horizons is very nice and the ball gets into a roll pretty quick.

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2007, 08:47:58 AM »
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What about the Mystic if you are talking Horizons?
 


Fluff,
  My Mystic jumps with glee like a little boy when he sees that new BB gun under the Christmas tree.  I even took it down to like 4000 to get the shine off...still jumpy, predictable but jumpy.  The Horizon Solid more so tames the backends...well for me at least.

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splendorlex

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2007, 09:02:20 AM »
I guess I should clarify that I'm not looking for something that will overlap or replace the MM, but rather something that rolls similar but is weaker.  The HS is a pretty strong ball, right?
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2007, 09:18:51 AM »
Ryan,

In my opinion, the HS is stronger than the MM.  My HS is drilled 4-1/2" pin-PAP x 4" CG-PAP, OOB condition.  Pin wound up over fingers in the bridge.  The MM I threw that belonged to a friend of mine was drilled pretty much stacked leverage.  Pin even and right of ring and the MB stacked below, OOB condition.  If I had to take a guess, I would say 3" pin-PAP x 4-1/2" MB-PAP.

The HS was much stronger in the midlane, even with the pin over drilling.  I had the chance to buy this MM and passed on it.  I like the HS better.  Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2007, 09:27:57 AM »
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Ryan,

In my opinion, the HS is stronger than the MM.  My HS is drilled 4-1/2" pin-PAP x 4" CG-PAP, OOB condition.  Pin wound up over fingers in the bridge.  The MM I threw that belonged to a friend of mine was drilled pretty much stacked leverage.  Pin even and right of ring and the MB stacked below, OOB condition.  If I had to take a guess, I would say 3" pin-PAP x 4-1/2" MB-PAP.

The HS was much stronger in the midlane, even with the pin over drilling.  I had the chance to buy this MM and passed on it.  I like the HS better.  Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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Wow, maybe you were right thinking about the Saturn or the Venus.

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splendorlex

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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2007, 09:42:48 AM »
Can anyone give me a little feedback on the Saturn?  I'm reading the reviews, but those are mostly posted shortly after a ball comes out, when they are still "hot."  Is the Saturn still useful for you?
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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2007, 10:13:03 AM »
I believe a Saturn or a Venus (with cover knocked down to 2000) would work well if you are looking for med-lighter oil options.    I would keep pin below fingers to also help smooth transition.

For stronger options, as others pointed out, the Horizon Solid is an excellent choice. I also wanted to add that the Mystic, with surface modification, is also very good.  It's been a better choice for me simply because the pearl particle matches up the surfaces better than the solid resin but by taking it to 2000 grit I get all the smoothness and power I need.  It's been a great matchup for me.


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Re: Smooth change of direction, controllable ball from Roto?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 11:25:18 AM »
Since you want something weaker than the  Mean Machine....why not the Horizon Pearl. That's a great ball and smooth. IF you want something for dryer lanes...than the Venus or Saturn would be the choices. The Horizon Solid is at least as strong as the MM. And the Mystic is also a very strong ball....not quite the MM but very, very close. In truth you can't go wrong with the Horizon or Planet lines from Roto Grip. Actually you can't go wrong with the Epic Series either. :-)

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