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stealth

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Roto benchmark choices
« on: November 11, 2004, 08:33:20 AM »
I currently am using a Tour Power for my benchmark ball. What would be a good choice to replace it? A solid Silverstreak or Roto Retro Resurrection.How would either compare to a Tour Power.
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 04:41:39 PM »
How does the Silverstreak and Retro Resurrection compare to each other and in reference to the TourPower.
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charlest

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 05:07:36 PM »
My best guess is that you'd have to sand a Silver Streak to about 1000-1200 grit and drill it with maybe a 5x5 drilling with the pin at or over the ring finger and CG around grip center to emulate an unmodified Tour Power.

The Retro Resurrection has too high an RG and far too huge a RG Differential to properly emulate a Tour Power. A pin on axis, with, maybe, a 4" pin-CG distance and CG around grip center might  ... aaaa, don't know  ....
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 05:46:32 PM »
Charles, I had a silver streak drilled just like you mentioned(at 4 different surface preps) and I HATED that reaction(of all of the surfaces).  The Silver Streak Solid is a tricky ball because despite it being a solid and it's low RG this is a really flippy ball the farther you move the pin away from the PAP.  

The Ressurection is much smoother and meant to be more of a benchmark as the Silver Streak Solid can be very over/under in nature with a length or stacked drill.  I'd go with the Ressurection, but if you're set on the Silver streak and want it to be controllable, drill it 2x5 2x2, 3x0 etc to calm down how quickly it reads the dry.
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 06:42:55 PM »
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Silver Streak Solid is great choice for you.Retro Resurrection is only curve sooner that Silver Streak and your Tour Power.
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charlest

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 06:57:54 PM »
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Charles, I had a silver streak drilled just like you mentioned(at 4 different surface preps) and I HATED that reaction(of all of the surfaces).  The Silver Streak Solid is a tricky ball because despite it being a solid and it's low RG this is a really flippy ball the farther you move the pin away from the PAP.  


Fascinating.
I did indicate - "maybe". If you want a control ball like the Tour Power, my personal belief is that you need to start with a similar core (that low RG diff may be an important key).

Actually I believe that the coverstocks are very close (TP and SS).

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The Ressurection is much smoother and meant to be more of a benchmark as the Silver Streak Solid can be very over/under in nature with a length or stacked drill.  I'd go with the Ressurection, but if you're set on the Silver streak and want it to be controllable, drill it 2x5 2x2, 3x0 etc to calm down how quickly it reads the dry.
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I wouldn't pick either of these balls as "control" balls, but that's where the original poster wanted to go.

Closest to the TP might still be the AMF Valor/P Tour model ...
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 08:16:10 AM »
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Fascinating.  I did indicate - "maybe".



Good call there C... always a good idea to "build in" words such as "perhaps, suggest, maybe..."  I have to agree with you about wanting similar core dynamics, although possibly even more important would be the cover.  I would almost think that a weak-ish solid particle (although the only option here is possibly the silver streak particle, as everything else is strong), or a non-polished solid resin (which you have choices between apocalypse, silver streak and top fuel)... but even possibly a better choice may be the Rush.  Although I have never thrown one, from the description it is a low rg and medium diff core with a solid resin cover...   This sounds a lot like the Tour Power, although it is probably somewhat stronger... but my guess is that the Rush is as close as you can get with the current line-up.


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charlest

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 05:23:39 PM »
Strapper,

Oddly enough, there's a good chance that the coverstock on the Tour Power is identiacal to that of the Silver Streak, except for the surface finish ...
The core is very important in this case.
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2004, 09:47:45 PM »
the rush is one sweet ball.  very very predictable and controllable though pretty strong.  cover is very flexible.  I love this ball.  reminds me of my teal rhino pro - at the arrows you knew where it was going, no surprises.

my rush is drilled pin under bridge cg out with wt hole.  just smashes em.
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charlest

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2004, 03:16:26 AM »
Not 100% sure about the Rush being a benchmark ball. It seems far too strong to do that; true, it has a very controlled hook. Benchmarks are usually for medium conditions. I put a good polish on mine, put pin above the bridge (very rare for me) and Cg just above grip center. As such it can barely handle oil as light as medium. It just grips the lane too soon.

Benchmarks usually let you know very quickly whether you need a stronger or weaker ball. One rarely needs a stronger ball than a Rush.
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2004, 05:27:51 AM »
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Not 100% sure about the Rush being a benchmark ball. It seems far too strong to do that; true, it has a very controlled hook. Benchmarks are usually for medium conditions. I put a good polish on mine, put pin above the bridge (very rare for me) and Cg just above grip center. As such it can barely handle oil as light as medium. It just grips the lane too soon.

Benchmarks usually let you know very quickly whether you need a stronger or weaker ball. One rarely needs a stronger ball than a Rush.
The Rush is my benchmark for our league THS -- longer med. to med.-hvy. -- pattern.  Just had it redrilled w/out grips and took the surface down to 800.  This ball is the smoothest ball I have by far, but you're right -- it is strong.  Took it to practice with last night on typical open bowling condition.  It was VERY dry from about 15 to the gutter, so I ended up going 40 through 19 at the arrows to about 10 at the break.  The Rush was just amazing!!  Everything else was jumping all around, but the Rush just made that smooth move to the pocket and crushed the pins.  I definintely think it could be a benchmark ball.
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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2004, 05:27:52 AM »
I was going to say the Rush as well....but Charlest is correct.....with a nice stable strong drill, the Rush is a medium heavy ball no doubt...it doesn't like carrydown that much....but on a fresh shot, it's a great ball.

A different drill may allow you to us it as a bench mark ball as well....but there are too many variables to make that call.......

It's smooth, strong and TOTALLY predictable....can't go wrong!!!

If not the Rush....maybe a Silver Solid or Resurrection at about 800 smooth w/ a nice controlled drill on it...maybe a 2x2 or 2.5x2.5...something like that
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charlest

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2004, 03:51:15 PM »
Sorry, Nollster.
The general definition of a benchmark ball is one that will tell you quickly whether you need a milder or a stronger ball. Being there aren't many balls that are a lot stronger, the Rush does not meet that criteria.

Look, I agree it is one of the better balls out there. I like mine, but only on long mediums, WHEN highly polished, or on medium-heavy oil patterns.

The unfortunate thing is that it is on the stronger end of balls; it is the goto ball when your real benchmark (Silver Streak, Retro-Resurrection, Brusier, Shock, Nemesis, Vendetta Black) does not react strongly enough.

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2004, 05:03:44 AM »
charlest,

I hate to say this, because you're basically 100% right all the time, but I have to disagree here. Nollster isn't "wrong" ...especially if he sees primarily medium-heavy stuff......the Rush could most certainly be his first ball out of the bad to determine if he needs something stronger or weaker...yes ?  I mean...why not ?
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Nollster

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Re: Roto benchmark choices
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2004, 08:37:29 PM »
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charlest,

I hate to say this, because you're basically 100% right all the time, but I have to disagree here. Nollster isn't "wrong" ...especially if he sees primarily medium-heavy stuff......the Rush could most certainly be his first ball out of the bad to determine if he needs something stronger or weaker...yes ?  I mean...why not ?
Thanks Jeff -- granted, I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about -- I'm just going on what I'm currently seeing and what I currently have in my bag.  Most of my balls are drilled to go long and turn hard/flip.  The Sonic X is too weak for my league, so, by default, the Rush has become my benchmark ball.  If it's too strong, I can always go with another ball.
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