Post by: toomanytenpins on November 11, 2007, 06:00:51 AM
So I just won a 15 pounder and i am wondering if there is ,or whats a stronger set up to use for heavier longer patterns. I throw about 14 mph in the oil,Less friction more speed.Right now i am playing across the 5 board with my feet on the 12 board . I dont know what the shot is but i am getting to the pocket just not carrying at all. I am a low rev high track bowler . My pap is 4.5x0.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 11, 2007, 04:45:03 PM
Post by: toomanytenpins on November 11, 2007, 10:41:42 PM
I was just hoping the lighter weight might be easier for me to control and with a stronger drill i might be able to maximize its potential If i am wrong i will drill it identical to this one and take it to 4000 for drier lanes or maybe pin up for more backend.
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on November 12, 2007, 01:26:52 AM
Before I knew how to tackle patterns properly I veered away from the epic line. I bought an original epic and it hardly worked, and I even had an SD-73 that would finish for me. I sold both...HUGE mistake!! Its only know that I have learned to see when the ball is burning up and what changes to make to fix it have I seen the power in these balls. I have the Saga and quest...the saga is my go to piece no matter what the shot..still need oil. And the Quest, I will probabally only see enough oil for it 7-8 times a year. But still a great ball.
Hope that helped some,
BMM
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Post by: agroves on November 12, 2007, 10:51:10 AM
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What is the pin to PAP distance and where is the MB?? These will be a huge determining factor.
Pin under the bridge means nothing. Do you know your PAP? I hope you have a good pro shop guy to go to. If so, please visit him and see if he can help you with the proper layout.
With that said, you are a low rev, med speed player....according to your profile anyway. So, heavy oil is always gonna give you trouble. I would probably drill something like a revs leverage layout...ie 3 3/8 from the axis, with a very low pin, with a 45* mb placement. If the mb gets near the thumb it will want to flip over on the back instead of pick up a roll and continue thru the pin decks.
Assuming you have heavy oil and clean backends, I like to use a solid resin with a touch of polish and a high flare layout. It won't read the fronts at all and will pop on the backend.
Andrew
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 13, 2007, 05:56:35 PM
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on November 13, 2007, 06:26:39 PM
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Post by: DP3 on November 13, 2007, 10:31:40 PM
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my pap is 4 and 5/8x1/2. the layout is 5 .5 inches from my pap and 1.5 inches above grip centre
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If the pin is under your bridge and your axis point is 4 5/8 -> x 1/2 ^ then pin under bridge is not 5 1/2" to your PAP. More like 4" or 4 1/4" which is a strong pin position. Sounds like your pro shop guy knew what he was doing for what you wanted the ball to do, you're just not on the type of condition to get the most out of the ball.
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Post by: agroves on November 13, 2007, 10:33:11 PM
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Ahh ther enlies your problem. With being a low rev player that 5.5 pin to PAP distance is too far. I would go with either the C or D drillings(4" or 3" pin to pap) Beware of the 3" pin drilling. The ball wirh ROLL really heavy. I know you are saying this is what you are looking for but I put it on a saga and it was ugly!! Barely could use it. And put the MB strong, it says the reaction will be angular but if you keep the cover in box that won't really happen. Let us know what you do and how it works out for you.
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Agreed, low rev and low flare translates to making a ball a DART!!
Andrew
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on November 13, 2007, 11:30:23 PM
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My pap is 4.5x0.
Then,
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my pap is 4 and 5/8x1/2
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 15, 2007, 08:56:57 PM
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on November 15, 2007, 10:17:30 PM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 16, 2007, 10:36:38 PM
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Post by: REvans284 on November 17, 2007, 03:51:24 AM
With this said, you say you are a low rev player. The overall hook may be a bit less with the CG/MB kicked out like that compared to the strong position layout so that might hurt you if you are having trouble covering boards. But as far as getting the ball into a roll goes I like having my balls layed out like this better (especially for heavier volumes of oil).
Later,
REvans284
Also.. I have a C300 Full Throttle which is comparable to the Odyssey very closely in RG/diff. and cover (RG: 2.484, Diff: 0.050, but cover is around 800 box instead of 2000 - both reactive). This ball has the same layout, but with about 1-1/4 farther pin distance to PAP than what I listed above (close to 5). The pin is above bridge and MB within about 1 1/2" of my Val. The ball acted like it wanted to rev early but skidded more than it got into a roll and when it turned the corner there wasn't much there and I always left alot of weak 10s. I also had to play farther right in the oil to get it started and when the lanes did dry out because it was such an aggressive ball it had a tendancy to burn up if I got it in the dry too soon. It was very over/under. Getting up to around 5 Pin to PAP is just to far.
Edited on 11/17/2007 5:05 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 17, 2007, 04:06:04 AM
And to go even earlier Agroves suggestion of Revs leverage is a great one.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: REvans284 on November 17, 2007, 04:10:45 AM
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I like the idea of stronger pin positions like 3 3/8 for low rev players on heavy oil.
And to go even earlier Agroves suggestion of Revs leverage is a great one.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Yea.. I re-read his post and he said about everything I said with alot less words...
Later,
REvans284
Post by: tloy on November 17, 2007, 05:57:43 AM
I agree with LuckyLefty, put the pin between 3 and 3 3/8 and MB in the strong position, you will not be disappointed..... I have mine drilled 3 by 3.5 which puts the MB almost on the VAL and this is ideal for playing down and in....
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 18, 2007, 07:24:18 AM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 18, 2007, 07:40:36 AM
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on November 18, 2007, 09:04:44 AM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 18, 2007, 03:28:08 PM
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Post by: agroves on November 18, 2007, 09:54:35 PM
Andrew
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