Author Topic: Rogue vs the Dynamo (Read 2405 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** March 29, 2009, 11:54:28 AM »

This might not be a fair comparison and is not intended to slam the Rogue. Its just the comparison for the way I throw the ball pap 4 7/8 and 5/8 up.

Both bowling balls are drilled very similar. Dynamo has the pin in the ring finger MB about 2 inches right of thumb and the Rogue has the pin just above the ring finger MB about 2 1/2 right of thumb. The Rogue in box and the Dynamo ay 2000 Ablaron no polish.

The shot was a relatively easy house shot, dry outside and fair amount of oil inside.

I bowled a game each while warming up and finding the shot. I bowled for about 2 hours. Yes the lanes slowly dried up and I had to move in.

The Dynamo read the break point tremendously and the continuation and carry is by far the best I've seen to date. The Rogue read the break point very well but did not have near the continuation or carry the Dynamo had.

The Rogue read the break point well but did not keep the pins low and mixing to help carry with messengers that the Dynamo had. The Dynamo also kicked the 10 pin much more consistently then the Rogue. Needless to say the scores with the Dynamo were much higher then the Rogue.

Now my teammate was throwing the Rogue and the carry for him was tremendous. He does not throw the dynamo so I couldn't compare the two with his bowling style. But his average is about 20 pins lower then mine, so it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

The Rogue looks great on the lane and I think after I get several more games on the ball it will find a place in my bag, but to compare the two bowling balls, the Dynamo has the edge so far as carry and continuation as compared to the Rogue.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2009, 08:55:34 PM »

Interesting experiment, Barry.

Since the Rouge is a solid/pearl mix and with a higher RG and the Dynamo is solid with a lower RG, if you had reversed the drillings, it might have been a fairer "contest" and I believe (not 100% positive) the differences you saw would have been less. I don't know if the Dynamo would not still have been "more ball" or not. (Of course, both should have been at 4000 or 2000 Abralon.

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The mass bias of the Rogue also adds a factor into the equation not existing in the Dynamo.

There are so many outrageously strong balls these days.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2009, 10:01:47 PM »

Charlest,

The Rogue

RG 2.43-2.8
Dif .048
4000 Abalron

The Dynamo
RG 2.467-2.516
Dif .049
2000 Abalron

The Rogue is a hybrid so it has some pearl and the Dynamo is a solid. Therefore the Rogue with the pin a little higher and the cover being partially pearl with 4000 abalron it should have retained more energy and come off the break point if not harder more continously then a Dynamo solid with 2000 Abalron. When the lanes started to dry a little and I could swing the ball more, the dynamo came more to life and even carried better whereas you would think the 4000 Albaron hybrid cover would save the energy, not burn off and have more continuation. I'm just saying with two hours of practice, I am surprised that the Dynamo in my hands out performed the Rogue in carry, pin action and most importantly flexabilty to go deeper and play what the lane gives you.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:46:08 AM »

The RG on the Rogue Cell is not 2.48. For 15 and 16 lbs, it's 2.52.
See the RG web page: http://www.rotogrip.com/products/balls/ball.asp?ballid=86

Whether the Rogue should have come off more the breakpoint harder, depends on how much oil there was out there for your speed/release.

If you burned a line, for 2 hours (that's a lot of bowling. You ARE feeling a lot better!), then it might be relevant to the actual friction of each coverstock. That is one factor which is hard to measure. The RC's cover may be stronger, if we've covered all our bases, than the Dynamo's, in absolute terms.

Maybe, that's the end result of your testing??

A couple of people in the know, with respect to Roto-Grip, have said the RC's cover is even stronger in these absolute terms, than the original Cell's cover even though the Cell is solid.

Maybe, the RC needs polish to complement or be put on equal footing with the Dynamo's 2000 Abralon???

Now this is a comparison that worth the time and effort. Great work, Barry.
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BackToBasics · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:37:53 AM »

I know nothing about the Dynamo so I can't comment on the comparison but the cover on the Rogue is super strong and what I've experienced, requires as much if not more oil up front than the solid Cell. Remember, the solid parts of the Rogue has a higher friction value than the solid Cell. So unless you have significant oil up front, you'll likely see the Rogue burn up and not be as strong downlane at 4000.
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Roto Grip Staff 2009
Vise Grips Staff 2009

Nicanor · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:55:14 AM »

Charlest,

Isn't the RG you stated, 2.52 the average RG? Doesn't that average RG fit between the 2.43 and 2.8 that I posted? I thought that the RG is changed by the way a ball is drilled. You can make the weightblock as tall as possibly or as short as possible giving you the difference in RG value? I'm not saying how you drill a ball will give it a tall or short weightblock, just with regards to the weightblock that is in the ball, the tallest you can make that weightblock as compared to how short you can make that weightblock.

The oil pattern usually starts pretty good and we had to start down and in because there was a significant amount of oil in the beginning. Seemed to be a fairly easy Christmas tree Sunday morning shot. There was four of us bowling.

I'm not a beginner. I worked with the two bowling balls for seven games. down and in with both, swung both both early games and later games to get both bowling balls in the oil and in the dry and the Dynamo outplayed the Rogue all day. Down and in and swing.

This isn't a Rogue smashing, I throw a lot of Roto Grip equipment and if you remember I totaled hated the Buzzbomb, so its not that I'm a member of the FOS, its just that I have throw both bowling balls on a shot that both should have scored easily on and the Dynamo easily out performed the Rogue.

I got the RG and Dif from here on Ballreviews, so they might be different from the Roto Grip website.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:05:51 PM »

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Charlest,

Isn't the RG you stated, 2.52 the average RG? Doesn't that average RG fit between the 2.43 and 2.8 that I posted?

On their website chart, it doesn't say "average RG". It just says Radius of Gyration. If, in their detailed description, it says average somewhere, I haven't seen it yet.

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I thought that the RG is changed by the way a ball is drilled.

It is changed by pin position and it can be changed further by the weight hole.

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You can make the weightblock as tall as possibly or as short as possible giving you the difference in RG value? I'm not saying how you drill a ball will give it a tall or short weightblock, just with regards to the weightblock that is in the ball, the tallest you can make that weightblock as compared to how short you can make that weightblock.

Agree with all that.

Usually when the manufacturer does not specific whether the RG is X-axis or Y-axis, I assume it is X-axis, the lowest possible. So I assumed the Dynamo's is 2.45-ish and the Rogue's is 2.52.

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The oil pattern usually starts pretty good and we had to start down and in because there was a significant amount of oil in the beginning. Seemed to be a fairly easy Christmas tree Sunday morning shot. There was four of us bowling.

I'm not a beginner.

(Oh, I know that. I assumed that in my reply. If there was any implication otherwise, I apologize.)

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I worked with the two bowling balls for seven games. down and in with both, swung both both early games and later games to get both bowling balls in the oil and in the dry and the Dynamo outplayed the Rogue all day. Down and in and swing.

This isn't a Rogue smashing, I throw a lot of Roto Grip equipment and if you remember I totaled hated the Buzzbomb, so its not that I'm a member of the FOS, its just that I have throw both bowling balls on a shot that both should have scored easily on and the Dynamo easily out performed the Rogue.

I got that picture. I'm not praising one, nor am I critizing the other. I was trying to see how you "evened" out the competition/contest.

My thought, from everything you said: does the cover of the RC have a high friction rating than that of the Dynamo?

True: on the oil you bowled on, your Dynamo suits your release AND that oil pattern better than the RG.

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I got the RG and Dif from here on Ballreviews, so they might be different from the Roto Grip website.

I understand. When there's a discrepancy, I usually take the manufacturer's website as gospel.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2009, 04:41:53 PM »

Charlest,

Thank you for the detailed response. I appreciate the time and effort.

The RG and Dif I posted are the same on Buddies pro shop website. All bowling balls have a range in RG. Just because Roto Grip didn't post the RG range, doesn't mean there isn't one. If the Rogue has a dif of .048, then it has a RG range similar to the ones I posted.

I had a chance to throw the Rogue in a six game league today and I'll post the results in a different post in the Roto Grip forum.

The overall point I made earlier is that the Dynamo reacted stronger to the breakpoint then the Rogue, had better continuation then the Rogue and had better carry then the rogue. I will have to address the carry in the other post.

Thanks a lot. I look forward to reading many more of your post.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:41:23 PM »

As do I of yours. Few here are as detailed, as precise or as accurate.
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kens101 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:07:39 PM »

I would probably suggest comparing it more to the original cell then the Rogue Cell.

Both balls are on my list to try out with the winter league prize funds coming...

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