Author Topic: Thoughts on the Rush (Read 3002 times)

Ragnar · « **on:** June 22, 2004, 08:27:56 PM »

Call me Abby. Abby Normal, that is. You all speak of the Rush as a (seemingly) great ball for heavy oil. Not me. I've got 2 of 'em. One with a 1:30 layout and one with a 10:30 layout. Both, for me, for whatever reason, are on the lighter medium to medium side of the spectrum; sort of straddling the middle. Both on the normal house shot (39 feet, buff to 43 or so, solid to screaming back ends) and our sport shot league ( 40 foot, flat, pretty heavy, with carrydown usually a factor). I can play either ball just about the same on both shots. Yes, on the sport shot I move my feet right and check my speed a hair, but the ball path is virtually identical. Now I wouldn't say I'm heavy handed by any means, but I ain't no fluffer either. It does strike me that on the THS both balls could be burning up a tad, though it really doesn't look like normal roll-out to me, while the heavier oil is the true element for the Rush. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. As an afterthought, could I be throwing the ball that much harder on the THS? Doesn't feel that way, but I don't know how else to explain what I'm seeing - unless it's a conspiracy and your all after me.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2004, 11:59:59 AM »

heavy ? NO........med to med-heavy fresh at best...w/ med-hvy MUST having dry backs...

tough to say Rags, I'm not a fluffer, but not heavy handed either, like you, so...

you might be seeing the pure smoothness of the ball, ...not sure this ball could ever 'snap'...
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Edited on 6/23/2004 11:57 AM

Ragnar · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2004, 12:37:15 PM »

Yeah, I don't expect snap, but I'm not seeing it cover many boards and it sounds like others are. Typical shot here is laydown around 10-12, out to 6 or so and nice slow arc back. I get the impression that others are laying this ball down a lot deeper; maybe I just have a wrong impression. Whatever the case, I do like my Rush(es) - won't leave home without one.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2004, 12:39:08 PM »

Mine doesn't swing that much Rags, more like 13-14 to 9 ?? if that.....It's very smooth, gradual...
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Ragnar · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2004, 12:51:58 PM »

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Mine doesn't swing that much Rags, more like 13-14 to 9 ?? if that.....It's very smooth, gradual...
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Well, if that's the deal, then I'm right in the ball park with mine as far as laydown point to break point. The (usually) drier back ends may be giving me more recovery.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2004, 08:57:29 PM »

Rags,

At some point in time, you've got to develop some revs, some "hand".
The Rush is a strongish ball for medium to medium-heavy oil patterns. Whether it needs dry-ish backend for either depends ont he the combination of your "hand"/"revs" and the drilling.

I hate to harp but 10:30 and 1:30 drillings don't tell us crap about the ball's drillings, UNTIL we know where you placed the pin AND the pin-CG distance (that last one affects flare capability).

If you are a stroker, then I can see medium-light to medium (AGAIN, depending on the drilling and the carrydown). I have a vaguely similar Remedy that I can use on medium to medium heavy; it has a short-ish pin of about 1.5" from pin to CG, drillined pin under ring finger (abour 4" from PAP). With a polish, it can skid. With an 800-100 grit matte finish it can handle carrydown on medium-heavy oil.

Try modifying the cover on one of yours with a grey or a green nylon pad. There should be a significant cover/surface difference in order to differentiate the two. The drilling (1:30 vs 10:30) is not enough, in my humble opinion. That difference is good for intense tournament competition. In leagues and local tournaments, you really need a surface difference also.

FYI Welcome back. Glad to see you posting again!!
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Nollster · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2004, 07:52:39 AM »

Mine's drilled 4x3 with an extra hole on the PAP. I play mine 15 at the arrows (lined up at 25) to about 7 and it's smooth as silk through the pins. I put up a 256-276 two game set with it in league a couple weeks ago -- fresh house shot with longish oil (not sure on length) and clean backs. If it gets a little outside, I can get it to come back sometimes. If it's not fresh, it either burns up or goes through the nose leaving some nasty splits -- I had about 15 in my 4 games last week. I've also played this ball really deep in the heavy oil or straight up the gutter and it worked great -- just took a little while to find the shot.

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:30:47 AM »

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...med to med-heavy fresh at best...w/ med-hvy MUST having dry backs...

CLARIFICATION: I say this because the Rush isn't particularly fond of carry-down....&, the conditions I see are usually fresher backs to screaming and my Rush works very well,...I've thrown it on carry-down / sloppy conditions and she wants to go, but just hesitates and doesn't quite make it....
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2004, 09:00:50 AM »

Right now, I have the Rush RIGHT SMACK DAB in the middle of my set-up...

I'll start with it if they're fresh, then move from there if needed. It's just too smooth and predictable to keep in the bag!!

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Strider · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:11:49 PM »

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CLARIFICATION: I say this because the Rush isn't particularly fond of carry-down

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I have a fair amount of hand and in OOB condition the ball just grabed to early for me, it still didn't like carry down,

Nothing worse than an early rolling ball that needs head/midlane oil.... but hates carrydown. What's up with that? Sounds a little condition specific for me.
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Ragnar · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2004, 10:10:23 AM »

Charlest, both of mine have the pin beside and slightly above the ring finger. One has the CG in the palm, one has it swung out about an inch towards the PAP; i.e., one is about 4.5 x 5.5, the other is close to 4.5 x 3.5.
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Leftyhi-trak · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2004, 11:04:54 AM »

It has a lot of attributes like the V2 sanded from ebonite. It tends to really smooth out patterns and sometimes fools you to what the pattern is because of its consistant turn. I got to try a few drilled different from a lefty who comes into the shop and if I didn't already have a bunch of v2's in my bag these would be. Surface changes and longer pin drillings can help give different looks if you have more than one. Agreed with many on conditions. Handles all mediums to med-heavy as long as there is some backends but again this can help be defined or combated by surface and drillings.

Edited on 6/25/2004 11:03 AM

charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2004, 04:08:18 PM »

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Charlest, both of mine have the pin beside and slightly above the ring finger. One has the CG in the palm, one has it swung out about an inch towards the PAP; i.e., one is about 4.5 x 5.5, the other is close to 4.5 x 3.5.
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Rags,

That pin position is on the weak side for a stroker or lower revver such as yourself. Little wonder neither can handle carrydown. You might want to consider roughing up one of them to differentiate them. YOu can always re-polish if so desired.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #13 on:** June 26, 2004, 04:50:25 PM »

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Nothing worse than an early rolling ball that needs head/midlane oil.... but hates carrydown. What's up with that? Sounds a little condition specific for me.

Strider,

I wouldn't consider this ball "early rolling" ....does it like to rev up quick? YES!

, but I wouldn't say early rolling so-to-speak...

On mediums, even medium-heavies, fresh shot, this ball is great,...why is that so condition specific?

Fresh stuff w/ decent backs, this ball is good to go,...the drier the backs, the better this ball performs...it will never be too much ball on a wet/dry..
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2004, 01:29:55 AM »

With my Rush I see it as a similiar reaction to that of a strong Urethane ball, just a bit stronger.

Early rolling, smooth breakpoint, very readable and it lets you know what the oil pattern is. I will say that for me it is not a heavy oil ball, but it can be used on just about every other condition you encounter.

Roto Grip gave all of us a break on this ball, it is without a doubt a high dollar ball at a medium price point. The HIT is what seperates this ball from most. It does not over hit----but it carries everything. I have thrown it and known I was going to through the nose and expected a 4-6-7-10 and carried strikes.

VERY underrated ball....as was the Retro Ressurection. You get those 2 and then grab yourself something for heavy and DRY and you have a great 4 ball arsenal.
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