Author Topic: weaker drilling on Theory... anyone tried it or seen it? (Read 3394 times)

David Lee Yskes · « **on:** January 19, 2011, 03:08:27 AM »

So after using my New tropical heat for the past 3 weeks and really loving it, I got to thinking what would a "solid" ball do with the same drilling?? the drilling on my Tropical Heat is a 2inch Pin to Pap and the CG is about 1inch up my Val.... So it rolls down the lanes nice n easy, and makes a nice n easy turn to the pocket, but the drive is unreal on this ball....

My only issue is once the lanes break down, is the ball will start to leave flat 10s & 7s.....

So yesterday before going into work, I went to the bowling alley and talked to my pro-shop guy about using the drilling on a ball like the Marvel or Theory....

I ended up going with the Theory cuz he cut me a deal on it....

But even he is curious as to see what a ball like the Theory will do with this same drilling.. Cuz as he put it and even I said, most guys who get a heavy hooking ball, drill it to HOOK.... not to just get down the lane and make a easy turn to the pocket... Obviously he knows the ball will react basically the same, just stronger than my tropical heat. He did say something that perked my ears, in that while talking about taming down the ball, he said the ball is aready Strong, and hits hard and everything, but now you give the ball a very predictable motion and put it into the hands of someone like you who has the revs to make the ball turn, and now you have a deadly weapon on the lanes...

but i will totally post up a good review of this new Theory and my Old theory comparing the two..

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billdozer · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2011, 01:04:16 PM »

im curious as well, my theory is a bit strong at times...and i dont want to polish mine because the infinite theory hybrid is coming...

good luck with the findings..

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Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2011, 02:11:06 PM »

Instead of putting the pin close to the PAP, try putting the MB close to the PAP, such as a pin down, 5x3 layout. Ball will roll early with decent continuation.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2011, 03:22:23 PM »

IMO, that would not be a very weak drilling.....5" pin to pap on an asym is still high flaring and the mb closer to the pap is going to make it start up even earlier.....I think it will roll well with about a 2-2.5" to PAP!! Sounds exactly like what you are looking for.

Cobalt Bomb wrote on 1/19/2011 3:11 PM:Instead of putting the pin close to the PAP, try putting the MB close to the PAP, such as a pin down, 5x3 layout. Ball will roll early with decent continuation.

Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2011, 04:01:32 PM »

I would rather have the ball roll early with continuation, giving him what I interpreted he wanted, which was an arcing, predictable motion "get down the lane and make an easy turn to the pocket". Besides, putting the pin 2-2.5" from the pap would likely make the ball roll out on anything but heavy oil. It's my contention that what I recommended will be more versatile. If the OP is looking for a weak ball, why not get something weak, or at least get a symmetrical ball instead. In my opinion, the layout you recommend may work, but then there is no reason to use an asym for that.

I guess its just another way of going about it.

tdub36tjt wrote on 1/19/2011 4:22 PM:
IMO, that would not be a very weak drilling.....5" pin to pap on an asym is still high flaring and the mb closer to the pap is going to make it start up even earlier.....I think it will roll well with about a 2-2.5" to PAP!! Sounds exactly like what you are looking for.

Cobalt Bomb wrote on 1/19/2011 3:11 PM:
Instead of putting the pin close to the PAP, try putting the MB close to the PAP, such as a pin down, 5x3 layout. Ball will roll early with decent continuation.

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2011, 11:03:20 PM »

Colbalt,

I have this drilling on my Tropical Heat, and I like what the ball does..... but alot of the time, in the 3rd game, I'm playing alot deeper than what I started out playing, and I start to leave flat 10's or 7's...

here's a vid of what my Tropical Heat does with a close Pin-Pap drilling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeWivQ5-Rmk

Cobalt Bomb wrote on 1/19/2011 5:01 PM:
I would rather have the ball roll early with continuation, giving him what I interpreted he wanted, which was an arcing, predictable motion "get down the lane and make an easy turn to the pocket". Besides, putting the pin 2-2.5" from the pap would likely make the ball roll out on anything but heavy oil. It's my contention that what I recommended will be more versatile. If the OP is looking for a weak ball, why not get something weak, or at least get a symmetrical ball instead. In my opinion, the layout you recommend may work, but then there is no reason to use an asym for that.

I guess its just another way of going about it.

tdub36tjt wrote on 1/19/2011 4:22 PM:

IMO, that would not be a very weak drilling.....5" pin to pap on an asym is still high flaring and the mb closer to the pap is going to make it start up even earlier.....I think it will roll well with about a 2-2.5" to PAP!! Sounds exactly like what you are looking for.

Cobalt Bomb wrote on 1/19/2011 3:11 PM:

Instead of putting the pin close to the PAP, try putting the MB close to the PAP, such as a pin down, 5x3 layout. Ball will roll early with decent continuation.

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Edited by David Lee Yskes on 1/20/2011 at 0:15 AM

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2011, 03:39:23 AM »

David,

Don't forget that the Theory is a very different balls from the Trop. Heat. First, it has a much stronger cover and a much lower RG. Next it has an asymmetrical core. That makes its ball reaction characteristics from different drillings much different than that of symmetrics. The position of the MB has a large effect on the ball reaction on the Theory, while the MB is much less on the Trop. Heat.

Putting the pin around 5.5" on the Theory does change the roll after the breakpoint. It becomes more end over end. When you put it at 2" - 2.5", the roll after the breakpoint is more sideways. You should really read up on Dual Angle drillings for asymmetrics on the MoRich web site or visit the forum at BowlingChat.net.

Putting the pin at 2" - 2.5" on asymmetrics is equivalent to a mild drilling on symmetric cored balls. But if you want to finish off the job, the proper placement of the MB, around 65 -80 degrees is also important.

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Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2011, 03:54:41 AM »

David, I can see why you like the ball motion of that Tropical Heat. It seems nice and predictable.

What you are describing that is happening in the 3rd game is likely the ball running out of energy due to the early rolling drilling. A close pin-pap drilling burns energy in the front part of the lane, that's what gives you the control. As you move inside, and the oil is depleted from the fronts, the ball then lacks the energy to turn the corner. If you are trying to cure this, I would recommend you go the opposite way that you are considering, and go with a weaker ball, pin up drilling. This would retain energy for the back of the lane. I would recommend a Roto Dark Star, maybe 5" pin to pap, pin up drilling. If you want something a little stronger, a Reign would do as well.

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2011, 01:55:40 PM »

Charlest....

yes my first Theory has the Pin @ 5.75(pin up) and the CG is basically in the middle of my palm.... I did this so it has a similar reaction to my Virtual Gravity which has the same drill pattern but its a pin down..

The reaction is very strong but predictable....

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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2011, 02:03:13 PM »

cobalt...

I do have a another Tropical Heat drilled pin up 5x4 and the ball is extremely strong on the backend...... almost too strong, expecially for the THS that is put out... if it was longer pattern or had more volume, I'd probably use it...

the problem I encounter is carry down.... So Its not so much the ball burning up as it is, the ball doesnt have the drive to kick out the 10pin....

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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2011, 12:57:59 PM »

Cobalt,

so tonight @ league was something funny lol..... So during warm-ups, I notice several of my balls just skidding past the pocket or slapping it weakly...... so I'm like WTF... midway thru the first game i turn to one of my teammates who is the Laneman @ said place and was like, did you guys change up the pattern??? he's like no, we finally got the machine to put down the right amount of oil in the middle of the lane..... lololololololololololol

So I might finally be able to use my Reign, Reign of Fire and Virtual Gravity.......

but yea I just kinda had to get a laugh outa that...... cuz the whole year my Reign, RoF and VG would just hit like 40ft and turn left...

Cobalt Bomb wrote on 1/20/2011 4:54 AM:
David, I can see why you like the ball motion of that Tropical Heat. It seems nice and predictable.

What you are describing that is happening in the 3rd game is likely the ball running out of energy due to the early rolling drilling. A close pin-pap drilling burns energy in the front part of the lane, that's what gives you the control. As you move inside, and the oil is depleted from the fronts, the ball then lacks the energy to turn the corner. If you are trying to cure this, I would recommend you go the opposite way that you are considering, and go with a weaker ball, pin up drilling. This would retain energy for the back of the lane. I would recommend a Roto Dark Star, maybe 5" pin to pap, pin up drilling. If you want something a little stronger, a Reign would do as well.

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Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2011, 01:13:13 PM »

There you go, problem solved!

Author Topic: weaker drilling on Theory... anyone tried it or seen it? (Read 3394 times)

David Lee Yskes

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