Author Topic: What Purpose/Condition Do Rumble + Uproar Serve? (Read 8681 times)

davidinil · « **on:** November 24, 2013, 07:35:45 PM »

The Rumble and Uproar are both 2.55 RG and a low differential of .030. The Storm's IQTS and IQTP are 2.49 RG and .029 Diff.

SO are the Rumble and Uproar supposed to be Roto's version of the Storm low diff balls?

I love my IQTS, but wish it would hit just a touch harder on my home house's THS. Would the Rumble's higher RG make just enough difference to achieve that? BTW, I had an IQTP. It rolled earlier than my solid. They were drilled the same.

My center uses ICE oil for a 42' pattern. I am a right handed 370 RPM, 17 MPH bowler. I am medium axis tilt/rotation.

davidinil · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2013, 11:27:48 AM »

You are hitting right at what I was asking about. When RG looks at its lineup and deciding to create new balls, they must have an idea in their minds as to where a new piece would fit and for what conditions those pieces would fit for. Scotts33 hit it too, that RG seems to always have a couple of slow response type balls in the lineup.

I have an Outlaw that works well for sport conditions. I had a BAndit that didn't work for anything I ever bowled on.

My personal delimma is I like my IQTS for my home THS, but sometimes it's tame nature hinders it. I often think, boy if that ball had just a little more back-end to it....I would be unstoppable at my home house. I was wondering if the RUmble's would accomplish that. Or would the Disturbed or Deranged be the more logical choice?

I had a IQTP and it forced my feet too far left for it to work at my house.
I have a Gamebreaker and Versa Max. Each of these balls works great for the 1st game or 2 games and then they all start bleeding too much energy and I flat 10 with them. I have a Nomad Dagger with a motion hole and a Reign drilled pin very high with a small val angle. THose balls are often too unpredictable and apparently too much ball at this house.

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2013, 11:46:04 AM »

Quote from: davidinil on November 25, 2013, 11:27:48 AM

My personal delimma is I like my IQTS for my home THS, but sometimes it's tame nature hinders it. I often think, boy if that ball had just a little more back-end to it....I would be unstoppable at my home house. I was wondering if the RUmble's would accomplish that. Or would the Disturbed or Deranged be the more logical choice?

I had a IQTP and it forced my feet too far left for it to work at my house.
I have a Gamebreaker and Versa Max. Each of these balls works great for the 1st game or 2 games and then they all start bleeding too much energy and I flat 10 with them. I have a Nomad Dagger with a motion hole and a Reign drilled pin very high with a small val angle. THose balls are often too unpredictable and apparently too much ball at this house.

The Disturbed is a lot of ball and if your Gamebreaker and Versa Max are too much then a the Disturbed would be way too much. I would suggest either a Wrecker or Rumble, balls with lower diffs that are not a strong covered as the !QTS. Although, I am little weirded out by the fact that your Pearl forced you too far left. It's supposed to pic up where the solid left off. Did you drill it the same as your Solid?

davidinil · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2013, 11:54:57 AM »

That's exactly why I got the pearl. It was supposed to pick up right where the SOlid left off. So I drilled them exactly the same. The pearl seemed to pick up earlier than the solid and made me move more into the oil, but the backend wasn't enough to come back and kick the 10 out. Plus at my house, moving deeper puts you more at risk of over/under reaction.

I didn't like the IQTP and got lucky in that it cracked under warranty. I ended up getting a Defiant Soul because I don't have any asym's in my bag. The soul is too much ball for my house tho.

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2013, 12:31:38 PM »

That makes sense. I think you are dealing with a dry THS which for the Solid makes it burn up and for the Pearl make it flip off the planet. This forces you to move deeper and the Pearl is not enough ball. I think you a high diff pearl asym or strong pearl sym that will stand up off the dry from deeper in will surfice. The Rumble will be a good compliment to the Solid if you want to stay in the same area.

davidinil · « **Reply #20 on:** November 25, 2013, 01:04:38 PM »

You are thinking that w/ the RUmble's higher RG and perhaps less aggressive cover than the IQTS's R2S, that I'd be able to just swap out the IQT for the Rumble and stay right in same place?

The other option could be a HYroad Pearl. Typically Asym balls do not work well for me. Even the pearl ones want to hook too early.

Another option I had considered would be a #14 IQTS. The #14 core is 2.54 RG and .034 Diff. VS 2.49 and .029 for the #15. I've been wondering if the core # differences would make the #14 react JUST differently enough to do the trick. Plus with a #14 I could more easily amp up the speed. Your thoughts?

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #21 on:** November 25, 2013, 01:37:33 PM »

Quote from: davidinil on November 25, 2013, 01:04:38 PM

You are thinking that w/ the RUmble's higher RG and perhaps less aggressive cover than the IQTS's R2S, that I'd be able to just swap out the IQT for the Rumble and stay right in same place?

The other option could be a HYroad Pearl. Typically Asym balls do not work well for me. Even the pearl ones want to hook too early.

Another option I had considered would be a #14 IQTS. The #14 core is 2.54 RG and .034 Diff. VS 2.49 and .029 for the #15. I've been wondering if the core # differences would make the #14 react JUST differently enough to do the trick. Plus with a #14 I could more easily amp up the speed. Your thoughts?

Yes. You should be able to pick up where you left of with the Rumble after the solid doesn't tilt up. The HYroad Pearl is a beast. I'm not going to deter you from that. However with a Asyms, drilling is a key (Not the main one) and dual angle numbers become law. If you get your Dual Angle numbers based on your stats, I think you'll have better luck with Asyms. Normally, with Asyms, weaker layouts tend to yield better reaction when bowling on a dry THS. Especially with your numbers.

Let me also be clear that I have not seen you bowl. Numbers are one thing but without seeing you, we are just guessitmating. I suggest you have a real talk with your driller about which would be better for you and work with you on getting your base stats.

scotts33 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 25, 2013, 01:59:08 PM »

For comparison sake. I hated my Venom Strike Atomix Solid low diff. 2.52 .029 @2000 I use 14's. that ball with any surface would puke on any frictious condition. Finally found a final surface with polish where it was useable. How the Atomix Solid compares in strength to the Rumble 55M cover I have no idea.

The 14 lb Rumble 2.60 .030 @ OOB 2000 is another animal entirely good length and no burn up. Heavy roll slow response to friction heavy arc to pocket. Still if there is not enough oil and with house shots as long as you can move into the defined puddle in the middle I'd see no issues for the majority. Issues will be if one can not move their feet or if the lanes transition and don't keep a defined move off the midlane roll. Misses out for many will result in ringing 10's. I've used mine now two test sessions and a morning old guys league this morning two different houses with three different patterns. Basically played same trajectory all three times.

davidinil · « **Reply #23 on:** November 25, 2013, 05:18:25 PM »

James, thanks for your input. I would never hold you responsible for a recommendation that didn't work. Even if you saw me bowl in person. I expect pro shop guys to give me educated recommendations. Buying a new rock is always a guessing game to some extent. You can come close, but you really don't know what it's gonna do until you punch it and throw it.

Scotts33, interesting that you use $14. The RG @ 2.6 is very high. My #14 Reign supreme is 2.61, and I do not like that ball. I have a #15 REign (2.55 RG) and really like that one.

scotts33 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 25, 2013, 05:26:09 PM »

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Scotts33, interesting that you use $14. The RG @ 2.6 is very high. My #14 Reign supreme is 2.61, and I do not like that ball. I have a #15 REign (2.55 RG) and really like that one.

David,

You have to factor in the OOB 2000 surface which even on a high Rg ball like the 14 lb Rumble will read earlier. In fact, I need the high Rg on a more surface ball to get it down lane or on any lane condition that isn't above medium-heavy they will puke and not roll thru the deck. Again my stats. are in profile. The .030 total diff is needed for me as lower total diff. won't roll thru the deck. I suspect others see the same issue.

James is correct your driller should be able to help much more than a net forum. We're guessing and it's why I always temper my remarks it works for me and stats.. in profile and YMMV.

I will say that I have a very good idea what may work for me and when trying to fill a hole I ted to explain to my driller who is top notch what I am seeking...between the two of us 75% of the time it works BUT there have been duds along the way also.

stopncrank · « **Reply #25 on:** November 25, 2013, 11:29:57 PM »

The Rumble is a great ball as long as its used on its intended lane condition which is medium at the most. Low diff plus the weaker cover gives you the ability to use a ton of surface without seeing early burn.

Lets be clear hear though, the Iq series from Storm are Upper Mid range balls, Rumble falls in the HP2 line for Roto and there's a big difference there. Again like others have said we can't and haven't seen you bowl, but for the majority of bowlers out there your probably gonna see less overall hook from the Rumble unless your bowling on lanes with a ton of friction or your extremely rev dominate.

Also a great thing about the Rumble is I have had a lot of success with my customers by drilling it stronger than normal without fear of early burn ie- stronger pin to paps with lowers sums for dual angle layouts based off the players stats. Wish you luck!

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