Author Topic: The Cell's attribute's (Read 4207 times)

charlest · « **on:** August 21, 2008, 06:02:02 AM »

Odd how every new new strong ball is being compared to the Cell, BuuuuTTTT, the only attribute they seem to be concerned with is how much it hooks.

Does almost everyone have their head buried in the "macho" sand??

"How much it hooks" was never the major factor that made the Cell the major break-through that it was AND STILL IS. Results are what made it what it is/was.

To my eyes and mind, the factors that made the Cell a force to be reckoned with were
- the early roll that never rolled out (and lost powere),
- targeting forgiveness,
- release forgiveness,
- power at the pocket even though it did not have the "macho ego" backend (Though it could have, if prepped that way),
- moderate mass bias strength that does not force a specific backend ball path on the user, but still gives the ball more than enough power.

90% of all the new balls still do not have these attributes to the degree that the Cell does. Maybe they hook more or have more backend, but they're still not THE CELL.

Oddly enough, these attributes seem to help not only those of us with less bowling talent, they even seem to make a difference in the hands of PBA touring professionals.
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Edited on 8/21/2008 2:56 PM

streamline · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2008, 11:16:54 AM »

I know from my experience the Cell is my go to ball on oil as well as when I want to play with less hand on house shots as well (we get some heavier ones in my area).

I can make my Bite hook circles around it at times but the consistency and predictability I get out of the Cell makes it my go to ball as well as one of my favorites in my bag. Its been a real winner, and as I stated already and don't think I can emphasize enough, it doesn't out hook my other balls i've had and used on oil, but it offers the consistency and control that I prefer.

Monster Pike · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2008, 11:29:55 AM »

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Everything said here also applies to my Attitude Shift. It's a very under rated ball in my opinion.
That's surprising. Every Attitude Shift I've seen had more of a hook/stop reaction instead of a very continuous arc like the Cell.

The only time I've experienced that "hook/stop" is when I didn't keep the speed up for my layout. I am speed dominant so I have the balls drilled stronger. So when I try to finesse it w/slower speed instead of just my normal speed, that's when I will see that. Maybe I shouldn't have said "everything" lol, but a lot of what's being said, at least for me, applies to how I feel about my Attitude Shift. I've thrown it in oil & on light oil & as long as I maintain my speed the cover, layout & core do all the work. I've at times not released it properly but it still was forgiving as long as I was near my mark & speed was up where it should be. That's all I'm saying. I'd really like to have a cell to compare w/my Attitude but I went & had to have a Dimension. Who knows, if I see a good deal on a Cell, maybe one of those Pro CG ones, I'll just break down & try it.

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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2008, 01:23:11 PM »

My friend has a Cell and hates it. It rolls out on him 80% of the time. It was weird cause whenever I threw it I felt it was a beast. I used it open bowling one time and shot like 760. The problem is his span is a little longer than mine and thumb hole is too big. I am actually thinking about buying it off him, but I know its oil soaked cause he never cleaned it and last time I threw it I wasn't as impressed as when it was newer.

I just think it is weird that it would roll out on him all the time and people are saying it would never roll out. The ball left endless 10 pins for him and if he left it out in the dry it would never recover. Is this just a fluke that it didn't match up with him or has this happened with some people? I always bowl with him and the ball is really unimpressive in his hands so I know its not just mental for him. It is probably the worst ball I have ever seen him throw. I know that doesn't make the ball suck it just doesn't fit his game. He tried every surface under the sun as well and none of them helped.

charlest · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2008, 02:27:49 PM »

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My friend has a Cell and hates it. It rolls out on him 80% of the time. It was weird cause whenever I threw it I felt it was a beast. I used it open bowling one time and shot like 760. The problem is his span is a little longer than mine and thumb hole is too big. I am actually thinking about buying it off him, but I know its oil soaked cause he never cleaned it and last time I threw it I wasn't as impressed as when it was newer.

I just think it is weird that it would roll out on him all the time and people are saying it would never roll out. The ball left endless 10 pins for him and if he left it out in the dry it would never recover. Is this just a fluke that it didn't match up with him or has this happened with some people? I always bowl with him and the ball is really unimpressive in his hands so I know its not just mental for him. It is probably the worst ball I have ever seen him throw. I know that doesn't make the ball suck it just doesn't fit his game. He tried every surface under the sun as well and none of them helped.

tdub36tjt,

It's not surprising at all. The "non-rollout" many people see is relative to the relatively earliness of how soon the Cell will try to hook. That is, it seems to try to hook very early, yet the core/cover combination USUALLY allows it to have significant continuation thru the pin deck.

This is not to say that people don't drill it too strong for their delivery (rev rate/ball speed ratio and tilt and rotation) or do not use it on far too little oil for their release. I strongly suspect that one of the above is the case for your friend. You might have more tilt or more ball speed for the drilling he or his driller has put on the ball, compared to his. I'd also hazard a guess that he needs either a longer or higher pin, an MB position further from his PAP or a finer finish (say 4000 grit Abralon rather than the stock 2000 grit Abralon) to get his ball NOT to roll out.

"It is probably the worst ball I have ever seen him throw."
Probably not. Probably it was the worst ball he had drilled for him.
I suspect the driller either did not know his bowling style when he drilled it or does not know the Cell.
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:04:31 PM »

When I said it was the worst ball I have seen him throw I didn't mean the Cell sucked and is a worthless ball. I just meant out of every ball I have seen him throw that one was the worse as far as matching his game. I even think that ball is a good ball. I understand that any ball could be a bad ball for one person and a great ball for another. He would get mad because I would say how I liked it. The ball carried everything for me, even buckets.

I would say it is probably the layout but I don't know. There was definitly oil where he tried to throw it. He would throw my Resurgence there with no problems so I don't think its a lack of oil. Its also the heaviest oil in our area. We also tried 4000 no polish, 2000 with polish, 4000 with polish and we could never get it to read the lane correctly (for him). I just thought it was weird that he was one of the only people I have ever seen that just didn't match up with the Cell.

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My friend has a Cell and hates it. It rolls out on him 80% of the time. It was weird cause whenever I threw it I felt it was a beast. I used it open bowling one time and shot like 760. The problem is his span is a little longer than mine and thumb hole is too big. I am actually thinking about buying it off him, but I know its oil soaked cause he never cleaned it and last time I threw it I wasn't as impressed as when it was newer.

I just think it is weird that it would roll out on him all the time and people are saying it would never roll out. The ball left endless 10 pins for him and if he left it out in the dry it would never recover. Is this just a fluke that it didn't match up with him or has this happened with some people? I always bowl with him and the ball is really unimpressive in his hands so I know its not just mental for him. It is probably the worst ball I have ever seen him throw. I know that doesn't make the ball suck it just doesn't fit his game. He tried every surface under the sun as well and none of them helped.

tdub36tjt,

It's not surprising at all. The "non-rollout" many people see is relative to the relatively earliness of how soon the Cell will try to hook. That is, it seems to try to hook very early, yet the core/cover combination USUALLY allows it to have significant continuation thru the pin deck.

This is not to say that people don't drill it too strong for their delivery (rev rate/ball speed ratio and tilt and rotation) or do not use it on far too little oil for their release. I strongly suspect that one of the above is the case for your friend. You might have more tilt or more ball speed for the drilling he or his driller has put on the ball, compared to his. I'd also hazard a guess that he needs either a longer or higher pin, an MB position further from his PAP or a finer finish (say 4000 grit Abralon rather than the stock 2000 grit Abralon) to get his ball NOT to roll out.

"It is probably the worst ball I have ever seen him throw."
Probably not. Probably it was the worst ball he had drilled for him.
I suspect the driller either did not know his bowling style when he drilled it or does not know the Cell.
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charlest · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:50:35 PM »

tdub36tjt,

If he tried all those surfaces, the drlling is the only thing left.
Of course, not every ball works for eveyrone. Sometimes, you just have to move on.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2008, 09:21:33 PM »

Charlest,

Both my son and I throw the Cell and the Dimension. My son likes the Cell better and I like the Dimension better. You are right on with regards to the Cell, but thats one reason I perfer the Dimension. I like the fact that the Dimension is more angular then the Cell and my son likes the control of the Cell. Both our Cells have the pin above the ring finger and the mb kicked right. Both of us have the Dimension with the pin below the ring finger and I have the cg kicked further right then he does. My son's cg is almost stacked. Both of us have medium pap about 4 7/8 and 5/8 up. I like the recovery of the Dimension. It gives me more area and better carry. My son is more of a down aand in player and the Cell works better for him.

I'm still trying to build my arsenal for the upcoming league and i'm working with the:

Cell/Dimension/Mighty Shift
Ultra Zone/Bite/Buzzbomb (4000 or lightly polished)/Gravity Shift
Supernova XP/Cherry Vibe/Hornet/Shift

my thoughts now are:

Mighty Shift
Bite/Ultra Zone
Hornet/SupernovaXP
White Dot

I carry six bowling balls. One league is a six game set change lanes after 3 games and I can easily go from Mighty Shift to Hornet.

Thanks,

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charlest · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Nicanor,

Message sent.
Thanks for your and your son's experience with the Cell and the Dimension.
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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #24 on:** September 11, 2008, 07:49:53 AM »

i must be the only person not in love with the cell. its a good ball but i still havent figured out how to use it consistently. i have had some good games with it ,but for the most part it rides around in the back of my truck,rather have an odyssey in my hand
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charlest · « **Reply #25 on:** September 11, 2008, 01:56:02 PM »

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i must be the only person not in love with the cell. its a good ball but i still havent figured out how to use it consistently. i have had some good games with it ,but for the most part it rides around in the back of my truck,rather have an odyssey in my hand
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Not to worry. Not every ball works well for eveyr one, even apparently popular ones.

Some thoughts:
Since it's an asymmetric, it could be the drilling. The Odyssey is also an asymmetric, however. Have you tried any surface adjustments?
How are they both drilled?
Are the coverstock's surfaces still stock?

The Cell "should" cover similar oil patterns/amounts that the Odyssey does, with an earlier roll, depending on how it's drilled. I think the Odyssey with the same drill had a longer breakpoint than the Cell, which is usually earlier and smoother.

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