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TheGom

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Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« on: December 17, 2014, 12:31:57 PM »
Always wanted a Wrecker but was afraid if the "snap" at the BP

Has anyone drilled a Pin Down 55x4x70 range? I need a controlled move at the BP on the shot that I see.

I saw Schlem working it on a RG vid up the boards...look good.

Shot is on  AMF Syn, 40 ft, driving backends, and can be a bit over under

Me, PAP 4 up 1/2, Speed at line, 16.5, Revs 225-240, tilt 17, Ro 55-70
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 12:45:17 PM »
I had a pin down wrecker, mostly threw it on college sport shots, but it did exactly what you are talking about. The wrecker was great because it would clear the heads with the pearl additive but was smooth and predictable on the backend from the solid additive/layout.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 12:46:39 PM »
no reason why it shouldnt work. taking the polish off will also be a must
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 12:46:50 PM »
Seems to defeat the entire purpose of the Wrecker to me. Why not just choose a ball that already has a controlled move at the BP? There are plenty of them out there.

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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 01:34:58 PM »
So are you saying that this ball is not meant for a Pin Down or Controlled Drilling? Or are you saying that this ball really shines much better with a Pin Up drilling and is sluggish when drilled Pin Down?

I respect and understand that there "smoother" balls out there off the BP that would be a better overall choice, but the eye candy and the price got me!
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 01:56:08 PM »
Quote from: TheGom on December 17, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
So are you saying that this ball is not meant for a Pin Down or Controlled Drilling? Or are you saying that this ball really shines much better with a Pin Up drilling and is sluggish when drilled Pin Down?

I respect and understand that there "smoother" balls out there off the BP that would be a better overall choice, but the eye candy and the price got me!

It is a great looking ball, that's for sure. It can probably be made smooth off the friction, but it really shines as a go long, big snap back-end ball. And the price IS really good right now.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 02:09:35 PM »
I have a pin up wrecker for the skid/flip reaction and a pin under Outcry that probably does exactly what you are hoping a pin under wrecker would do.  It comes 4000 dull, so still clears the fronts nicely and has smooth, controlled look off the breakpoint.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 02:15:16 PM »
I wouldn't say the ball is t made for a higher Val ( pin down). A lot of this depends in release. I'm a higher tilt player so a ball like this with a Lower Val angle might be uncontrollable. So I would drill pin down or higher Val. That doesn't mean the ball wouldn't be snappy for me

As a comparison look at my arsenal. I get more snap out of my pin down Lights out than my pin up Shock. Depends on the ball and your style.  So for my style a pin down (60-70) Val Wrecker will  still have some snap
« Last Edit: December 17, 2014, 02:18:01 PM by vkowalski1970 »
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 11:58:07 PM »
I have 2 Wreckers, one pin under the bridge and the other pin above the ring finger.  I love the pin down and rarely use the pin up.  For me the pin down is more controllable but still has a strong finish and keeps me from getting into trouble.  I keep both of them at 4000 as polished stuff is too squirty for me.  The Outcry may be a good option to go with as well but I haven't thrown it yet.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2014, 04:43:08 PM »
Drilled one pin down when the ball came out, since its my favorite drill. Ball was very disappointing. Ball was basically DOA on arrival at the pocket. With several friends with Wreckers drill pin up just a huge difference in power. I did try a couple different surfaces with no real difference.  I have one I picked up to drill pin up, but have not started rolling 15's again since RC surgery.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2014, 04:51:17 PM »
Quote from: Tex on December 28, 2014, 04:43:08 PM
Drilled one pin down when the ball came out, since its my favorite drill. Ball was very disappointing. Ball was basically DOA on arrival at the pocket. With several friends with Wreckers drill pin up just a huge difference in power. I did try a couple different surfaces with no real difference.  I have one I picked up to drill pin up, but have not started rolling 15's again since RC surgery.

Tex, what's you specs please?
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2014, 05:13:44 PM »
I had a pin up Wrecker that was more on the skid/snap side and I loved the ball (5" pin-to-PAP, CG shifted out a bit, and hole on PAP). However, I ended up selling it because it was a bit too touchy on the lanes. I found it to be difficult to use on sport shots and I ended up putting it back in the bag. It had quite a bit of angle down the lane and gave me frequent messengers (as well as frequent stone 9's). I did my Youtube research and I am planning to give the Wrecker another try...

I looked to Chris Forry, TJ Trout, and Walter McKnight (all bowlers I definitely watch videos for before buying/drilling a ball) and they all chose a pin down layout for their videos. Check out Chris Forry's ball reaction...he used a 55 x 4 1/4". I really like the reaction of their pin down Wreckers and is more in line with what I am looking for in a medium-dry ball for my arsenal.

Also, not that I am anywhere near Belmo's stats, but he mentioned in the Storm In the Bag segment for the 2013 Bear Open that he tried a pin up Wrecker in practice, but was too angular and had to be a bit "too perfect" to make it work. He ended up using the pin down Wrecker to blend out the reaction a bit more and eventually won the Bear Open (and also used a different pin down Wrecker for the 2013 TOC). Reaction and the shape looked great in both telecasts.
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2014, 05:58:52 PM »
Quote from: jlee0924 on December 28, 2014, 05:13:44 PM
I had a pin up Wrecker that was more on the skid/snap side and I loved the ball (5" pin-to-PAP, CG shifted out a bit, and hole on PAP). However, I ended up selling it because it was a bit too touchy on the lanes. I found it to be difficult to use on sport shots and I ended up putting it back in the bag. It had quite a bit of angle down the lane and gave me frequent messengers (as well as frequent stone 9's). I did my Youtube research and I am planning to give the Wrecker another try...

Check out Chris Forry's ball reaction...he used a 55 x 4 1/4". I really like the reaction of their pin down Wreckers and is more in line with what I am looking for in a medium-dry ball for my arsenal.

I cannot find this video....link?

Yes I have noticed many reviews with the pin down. Joel and Zack at Bowlersdeals also went pin down....would love to see CF's review
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2014, 06:44:21 PM »
Don't be too focused on pin height when merely referencing pin above or below the gripping holes...you are not manipulating enough mass removed to truly effect reaction...splitting hairs here honestly
Get pin to pap distance desired to create wanted flare and then either adjust surface to alter speed it slows down and/or add a flare effecting weight hole
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Re: Wrecker.......Pin Down?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2014, 07:19:30 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on December 28, 2014, 06:44:21 PM
Don't be too focused on pin height when merely referencing pin above or below the gripping holes...you are not manipulating enough mass removed to truly effect reaction...splitting hairs here honestly
Get pin to pap distance desired to create wanted flare and then either adjust surface to alter speed it slows down and/or add a flare effecting weight hole

Simply put, pin up or down doesn't matter? If so, I agree.
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