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JamminJD

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Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« on: February 24, 2014, 01:15:16 PM »
Was wondering if anyone has tried the Desperado TSE on drier conditions? IF so what drilling?

 

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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 03:38:29 PM »
I sought advice from the minds over at bowlingchat.net (specifically helped by an Eric Hartwell via PM) and he provided me a layout (based on my release specs) of 50°x4"x60° for the Desperado TSE.  I demoed the ball last year and absolutely fell in love with the smoothness and control it yielded on the lanes.  They had a pretty responsive layout on the demo pieces and yet it still rolled extremely smooth throughout the entire shot.  My intentions were to drill mines to fill that slot in my bag...very light oil or broken down shots or transition phase.  My Desp TSE rolls great for that.  I was gonna go with Mo's suggested layout for an extremely low flaring asymmetrical (90°x2.25"x70°) but I was talked out of it by Eric.  Mo actually came through later and said try it if I wanted to...but remember that the layout is for use on and extremely strong asymmetrical (opposite of what the Desperado TSE is) to take advantage of it's strength but providing a smooth rolling ball throughout.  I'm satisfied with the layout I have on my Desperado.  I will still eventually put that 90°x2.25"x70° on something in the future.  But if you wanted to try it...then again, Mo has cosigned but it will be extremely extremely smooth for an already extremely smooth ball.  But for the dry, I don't see how that would hurt.  I guess the hesitation by Eric was that the ball may not even turn the corner at the end of the pattern.  When you get a chance to put layouts on your new pieces and roll them...let us know how things turned out for you.  Good Luck!
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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 03:55:34 PM »
I sought advice from the minds over at bowlingchat.net (specifically helped by an Eric Hartwell via PM) and he provided me a layout (based on my release specs) of 50°x4"x60° for the Desperado TSE.  I demoed the ball last year and absolutely fell in love with the smoothness and control it yielded on the lanes.  They had a pretty responsive layout on the demo pieces and yet it still rolled extremely smooth throughout the entire shot.  My intentions were to drill mines to fill that slot in my bag...very light oil or broken down shots or transition phase.  My Desp TSE rolls great for that.  I was gonna go with Mo's suggested layout for an extremely low flaring asymmetrical (90°x2.25"x70°) but I was talked out of it by Eric.  Mo actually came through later and said try it if I wanted to...but remember that the layout is for use on and extremely strong asymmetrical (opposite of what the Desperado TSE is) to take advantage of it's strength but providing a smooth rolling ball throughout.  I'm satisfied with the layout I have on my Desperado.  I will still eventually put that 90°x2.25"x70° on something in the future.  But if you wanted to try it...then again, Mo has cosigned but it will be extremely extremely smooth for an already extremely smooth ball.  But for the dry, I don't see how that would hurt.  I guess the hesitation by Eric was that the ball may not even turn the corner at the end of the pattern.  When you get a chance to put layouts on your new pieces and roll them...let us know how things turned out for you.  Good Luck!

Yeah I used a @2" similar dual angle on a strongish pearl and this layout made that ball smooth. Might look at that drilling for this DTSE.I will keep yaw informed..

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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 05:38:07 PM »
I used my go to pin down layout with a P4 hole and it made a core that is known to read early read real early, so I have to be careful not to push it too far into the friction or it just starts hooking and never stops. I think it would be great for short patterns with some volume or even broken down longer patterns. My house has either changed oil again or really altered the volume they are putting out and I cannot get a grip on it yet for the third game as it is dry as a bone, I think I'm going to try my OG Desperado this week as it seems to have urethane written all over it and I think with the little extra length and back end the OG offers over other urethane I think it may be just the ticket.

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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 06:01:57 PM »
I used my go to pin down layout with a P4 hole and it made a core that is known to read early read real early, so I have to be careful not to push it too far into the friction or it just starts hooking and never stops. I think it would be great for short patterns with some volume or even broken down longer patterns. My house has either changed oil again or really altered the volume they are putting out and I cannot get a grip on it yet for the third game as it is dry as a bone, I think I'm going to try my OG Desperado this week as it seems to have urethane written all over it and I think with the little extra length and back end the OG offers over other urethane I think it may be just the ticket.
I was wondering if a pin under albeit shorter side would make it roll too early. Sounds like the 2" might be the way to go for a lighter condition.

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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 11:14:24 AM »
I drilled mine 50deg x 3" x 25deg with a P3 weight hole and the ball is butter smooth! It's not a first ball out of the ball, not unless you're on short oil. I can play the friction area with this ball and it doesn't overreact. The cover is the answer and takes the wet/dry out and is very controllable. I love this ball for shooting spare as well, because it's predictable! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 05:50:16 PM »
I have mine drilled strong and it still isn't strong enough to start the night with. IMO a 2 inch pin would make this ball great on shorter lighter conditions. It will push through the and get down lane easily enough.
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Re: Desperado TSE how does it do on light conditions.
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 09:11:01 PM »
One of the houses I bowl in runs a 33ft pattern for league.  The TSE balls is all I use.  Mainly the Desperado TSE and Solaris TSE.  The Solaris TSE has a 2" pin to pap layout on it.  I always put that layout on any symmetrical piece.  And the Desperado TSE is 60x3 3/8"x 30.

The cover is the cat's meow in these TSE balls!  Even in the friction, it's still silky smooth!
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