in my opinion, stronger than them all

I think its a good thing I didnt jump at all the hype about the Venator. After reading a lot and seeing videos, it doesnt appear as strong as some are making it out to be. In Buddies Pro shop video, the Venator looks like its struggling. Looks like I will probably stay with DV8 and go with the Endless Nightmare.

I think its a good thing I didnt jump at all the hype about the Venator. After reading a lot and seeing videos, it doesnt appear as strong as some are making it out to be. In Buddies Pro shop video, the Venator looks like its struggling. Looks like I will probably stay with DV8 and go with the Endless Nightmare.

If you watch the video closely, you can clearly see the Venator is laboring on the backend.  Which tells me the ball is either burning up and had a loss of energy, or the layout is the wrong match for chris and the pattern.  That's why you saw it struggling.  Remember, a weaker ball will hook more on a drier pattern than a stronger ball will.  Ball motion is the thing to watch.  And in his video you see the Venator labor the backends telling me it expended it's energy too soon.  The Dominion being the weaker ball should show more hook because of more stored energy.

Gunny,
I see the Venator laboring...But I dont think that was Chris's intention of the video. I doubt he wanted a video showing the Dominion stronger then the newer Venator. He is trying to sell new balls (Venator) but that video really made the ball look bad. Did he drill the ball wrong for himself? I think after testing 1000's of balls he knows what layout works for him.

I dont think it was Chris's intention either.  And I never said he doesn't know what layouts work for him.  But you can easily see the ball burning up its energy.  Take it as you will, but ball motion doesn't lie.  His video shows the Venator burning up, that's all.  Now people can look at it and say "that ball sucks cause it don't hook!", or they can see it for what it truly is..."that ball is burning up, there's not enough oil for it". 

You see his video and claim it's not strong and too much hype, I'll show you 3 more that show it is very strong.  Would it be a good comparison, maybe & maybe not, but if you watch ball motion, than you will see that the ball flat out hooks.  And watching his ball motion, you can see the ball start to make it's move, expends energy, than flat out labors to the pocket.  I'm just pointing that out.  The bowlers can make their own logical decision.  Not saying it was intentional or that Chris doesn't know what he's doing, I'm just stating what I see.

As an example, there was a guy on bbe that claimed the Venator was a dud, because his first time out his Blackout hooked more.  Than when he actually bowled again on "some oil", the Venator actually out hooked the Blackout by many boards.  The first is a perfect example of throwing a strong ball on a condition that it isn't recommended for.  Just as you wouldn't throw a plastic ball on the US Open pattern, because you wouldn't see any ball motion whatsoever.  it would go straight.

It works from youtube, just not from the buddies site

I watched Chris's video yesterday. The first thing I said was "WOW! That ball a burning and hitting weak." I wish he had moved deeper in the puddle to get the ball through the heads better. I do feel that his angles were rather small for him. If you look at the comparison, even the Dominion seems to struggle. A few of the shots, the ball deflects to the right as it hit the pocket. I have yet to drill my Venator, but after drilling a Storm Sync test ball 45/4.25/25 and not having enough oil to use it, I'm going to make sure I drill this with larger angles.