Post by: dizzyfugu on August 11, 2011, 12:32:38 AM
Hi folks,
I have become an owner of a used (and already plugged) Solaris Blackout. Ball has a 3" pin, TW unknown so far, surface OOB. AFAIK, the ball is pretty smooth and rather arcing by nature, due to its low RG core ad lower differential. My plan is to apply my favorite layout, pin at 4.5" from PAP and the CG stacked in the palm, for rather generic use on THS and medium to lighter patterns.
Is there anything someone is aware of that has to be specially taken into account with this ball, like the case of some Brusnwick balls like the Radical Inferno or the Twisted Fury Pearl ,which needed to be drilled stronger than usual to make them work effectively for most players?
I do not expect any trouble, but since this is my first Seismic ball and 900Global balls are rare around here, I thought I'd ask...
Many thanks in advance!
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Edited by dizzyfugu on 12.08.2011 at 5:59 AM
Post by: Schwanstuker on August 11, 2011, 08:22:34 PM
Dizzy, this is just a Low Rg, Mid diff Mild covered Symmetric cored ball, it's the Asymmetric Siesmic's you have to be careful with! The only consideration you need to focus on is rolling over the Plug.
Props to Afflac for dumping Gilbert!
Post by: RyanRPS on August 12, 2011, 05:57:03 AM
Dizzy, check out Dean's video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oIaOsIzwEU
As you can see, you can put pretty much any layout on this ball - go for your favourite layout and you will be able to use it on almost any condition.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 12, 2011, 06:00:44 AM
Thank you so far! Also received very valuable PM information; I'll have the orb punched up tomorrow, I do not expect any reaction-wise surprises. I was just worried about the coverstock's strength, in combination with the lower differential. But I will go for the 4.5" stacked layout and see what happens, unless my ball driller (internal weight is still unknown - you never know...) has other ideas and suggestions.
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Post by: RyanRPS on August 12, 2011, 06:31:22 AM
Dizzy, where are you bowling at the moment? Are you still in Germany?
The OOB finish on the Blackout is quite snappy off the breakpoint, simply due to the highly polished and tacky surface, but after a few games it smoothens out and that reaction stays! So don't expect it to be a hook monster, it is a medium oil control ball, and if you use it for that you will be impressed I can assure you!
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Post by: Schwanstuker on August 12, 2011, 06:41:03 AM
Dizzy, Stacked Leverage is probably the reason it was sold, that drilling on the Trailblazer core would make it stand-up at 30 feet and roll-out on anything but Medium or Heavier oil, although this ball has a lower Diff # than the Pearl Solaris, it is a Solid and will pick up in the heads sooner.
Props to Afflac for dumping Gilbert!
Post by: dizzyfugu on August 12, 2011, 07:04:13 AM
Yo, still in Germany (I am native, just to avoid confusion!) in the Rhein Ruhr area.
Many thanks for your input and impressions!
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Post by: RyanRPS on August 12, 2011, 07:41:36 AM
Dizzy, sorry for some reason I thought you were "living overseas" :)
Yes the core is low RG which will make it want to get into a roll early, the cover is very mellow, so although it will want to roll early, it will not grip the lane too early. This is what makes it such a great controll ball.
Ryan
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Post by: ambi1 on August 13, 2011, 08:56:16 AM
Very smooth mid range ball. a bit weak with carry down, on pro anvil lanes.
Has become my bench mark ball. prior to that was using a polished gamebreaker. Funny thing is 90% of my balls are Ebo.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 15, 2011, 11:57:33 PM
Had theball punched up on Saturday and made maiden flight on Sunday - unfortunately under heavy air humidity and a freaky back end. Nevertheless, I can confirm that the ball is very smooth at the breakpoint, and not as rolly as I expected due the low RG. It is also not a big hooker (not the type that comes back from anywhere when you spray it), it makes a neat curve, though. Seems to be a ball that likes revs - it is very stable in its breakpoint reaction. Length through the heads is, as far as I can tell, good: it is cleaner than my Renegade as a benchmark, and I think that the Blackout's cover is weaker/has less traction, so I'd call it a light to medium conditions ball - but it truly is NOT something for dry lanes.
I had best success playing up 10th board so far, keeping everything simple, but due to the high friction backend conclusions are hard to draw. I like what I see, but it will take more tests (and better weather!) to put up a review.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 31, 2011, 12:36:39 AM
Review posted - good ball! First use in a local house (with no truly demanding oil pattern, though) resulted in a 658 3 series, right out of the bag. Sweet, smooth and simple!
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Edited by dizzyfugu on 31.08.2011 at 1:14 AM
Post by: ambi1 on August 31, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
Nice review dizzyfungus 
. right on the nail.. The ball can be swung tho, you just need low tilt and high rotation.
. right on the nail.. The ball can be swung tho, you just need low tilt and high rotation.regards
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Post by: charlest on August 31, 2011, 08:06:26 PM
Ambi1,
check out the drilling he used, 60 x 4.75" x 75. I think it would be hard for many people to have a ball with a core like the Blackout's make a hard turn or to swing it, unless they had a lot of tilt or a lot of rotation or both. 
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 01, 2011, 03:21:29 AM
Yep, almost all of my stuff is drilled with a high angle sum, because I just need that extra length due to my high track and lower speed. It might be that the layout limits the core's potential with my standard release, but when I crank it up and add side rotation on purpose, I can hook the lane with it, esp. when there's enough friction.
I have so far much success with the Blackout with lines aimed at 10th-13th board at the arrows out to 8th board, due to the smooth arc I get out of it. I just let friction "rule" and guide the ball, and this works very well with this piece.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 26, 2011, 05:02:17 AM
Just an addendum, because my Blackout saw its first "hot" use in league: lovely ball, with huge potential. I used it very effectively as a fallback option after the lane had been ridden down by player traffic (10 players on a pair) on a medium sport shot. I had been starting with my Revolution Renegade, which was perfect for the fresh condition, but switched to the Blackout after the Renegade started to move ever earlier and stronger, so that hand position tricks or deeper lines were of no avail.
The Blackout is much easier through the heads than the Renegade's (assumed) PK18 cover, and with my setup it breaks slightly later and less abrupt. Similar amount of boards covered and entry angle, but with a much different reaction shape (">" vs.")" ) and with less need for head oil. Both make a good complementary combo.
Thumbs up for the Blackout!
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Post by: charlest on September 26, 2011, 01:36:43 PM
Thomas,
The Renegade is probably a variation of PK 17. Been fooling around with my old 15 lb 12 oz one in practice sessions.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 27, 2011, 02:02:55 AM
Hi CharlesT - I cannot believe that the Renegade is PK17, even as a solid version. Mine is utterly strong! Even with polish, and has great traction in the mid lane. I do not have a confirmation, but from other PK18 balls I know I assume that it uses this stuff. Additionally, if I remember correctly, the Renegade had at its time a dark green & pearl counterpart for lighter conditions, and I always assumed that this one had a PK17 cover?
The Blackout is weaker, traction-wise, so it makes a very nice combo with the Renegade!
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Post by: charlest on September 27, 2011, 06:43:52 AM
Thomas,
I can't confirm it. Even back in the day, Brunswick would not give a straight answer to my question. But remember this, PK17 and PK 18 used to handle the same amount of oil. PK 18 ruled because it gave the vast majority of bowlers the look they wanted: skid/flip. PK 17 was always more even reacting, and so less desirable, even back then.
My Renegade is polished, drilled pin under center of bridge, CG kicked out very slightly. It handle medium-light oil very well. (Its RG is 2.54, and differential is .037"), while it's a mild core by today's standards, it was middle of the road back in 2000 when it came out.
Its pearl twin, the Vengeance, I still have. Yes, it was much milder, RG of 2.615, and differential of .033. Both coverstock were called "Pro Traction Reactive" and they definitely not particle. I tried the Vengeance and it is much milder. I had to stand much further outside and it had much less backend, even with a much stronger drilling.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 27, 2011, 08:18:32 AM
That's interesting. I am just amazed how much traction my Renegade has up front - it is the only thing to worry about, because once things dry up too much, it will bleed energy and immediately leave splits, hitting weak. That's why the Blackout comes handy and fits a niche in my arsenal. :)
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