OK lets try this again, my first time didnt go through,, grrrrr. OK, i got this ball on monday and didnt get to practice with it, because i needed the thumb drilled out and new inserts in it, because i got this ball from my cousin, who didnt like it, and it only had like 12 games on it. Well the ball is drilled with the PBT engraving turned to the 1-7 clock pos, and the fingers drilled 12-6 and the pin, is under the ring finger, and to the right, ( i am a righty ) the pin is i believe 2" from the pap, and is almost horizontal with the CG which is in the middle of my palm, no side hole, and left in original cover. Now i first got to use this ball in the second frame of the first game on 11/12 on a split i left, and i just wanted to see how the ball would react, and WOW it rolls so nicely and has a nice smooth reaction on the backend. Well is used this ball the rest of the game and shot 141, lol but the next two games went 234,208. And i used this ball also on tues, same house, a bit diff shot, but still played the same line shooting 20-10 and just smashing the pocket, i went 215,265, and 192, now this ball does get a bit squirlly in the carry down, and all i had to do was, Move right and not left, and BAM! right back in the pocket. I really cant say enough about the stuff Storm puts out, but HANDS DOWN THEY PUT OUT THE BEST EQUIPMENT it is totally unmatched. s4e= STORM 4 EVER