Ok, well here is a update, i used this ball Monday for the end of the second game and the whole third game, and had a nice reaction with the ball. I also used the ball Tuesday and shot 163-265-231. I also had a nice reaction with the ball when i pulled my head outa my butt, after the first game. lol I was trying to do to much with the ball, and just revin the crap outa it, and was getting a over n under reaction, and the second game i move two boards left and went with a more smoother release. Tonight 11-7-02 i used my Response on a heavy oil pattern, a simple tophat pattern but 10-10 is a river of oil, No ball hooks in this stuff, i dont care how much hand you have or what kinda ball you use. So anyways, i started playing right up 10, but still didnt have a good reaction, with the ball polished, it was either in the pocket or slide by. So i took a used green scotch brite by hand to the ball. And WOW, the ball was alive, i got a VERY NICE reaction with the ball. I did this mid way through first game, and ended up having the last 6 outa 7 strikes for a 214 game, and second game, i shot 247, third game i just couldnt carry and shot 179, i started to leave 7pins and 10pins. But oh well, i still like the ball. But my only problem is that i had a nice reaction with the ball at my other house while the ball was polished, but i also had a nice reaction with the ball when hit with scotch brite, but i am hopin that because the ball has a tight flare pattern and because of bowling on heavy oil that the oil will have soaked into the ball and give me a similar reaction for when i bowl on my other leagues. But i will find that out Saturday and monday.