Author Topic: Modern Marvel vs Prodigy? (Read 5202 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** January 18, 2012, 05:32:49 AM »

What's the difference?

One's blue?

Regards,

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PS Crossroads, what's the difference from Hyroad, core upside down?

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cheech · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2012, 01:44:31 PM »

the prodigy is a R2X pearl with mica in it and the modern marvel is a R2X hybrid. i think the modern marvel will be a little more stable throughout the lane. the prodigy will be cleaner through the fronts but have the same control in the midlane and backend

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Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2012, 02:29:38 PM »

Maybe I am unusual, but I expect the differences to be exactly opposite of Cheech. For me, even the Marvel Solid was cleaner through the fronts than the Prodigy, likely due to the ETM in the Prodigy. Based on other Storm hybrids, I would expect the Modern Marvel to be cleaner through the front than either the Marvel or Prodigy, with more backend than either. I guess we'll find out when it is released.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2012, 03:58:56 PM »

great well explained opinions.....I'm a mica fan from my Crimson Red Sledgehammer (wonder ball) days! So the Prodigy I picked up might not be too bad for me!

On the Crossroad? any well informed opinions like above?

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Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2012, 04:05:29 PM »

Crossroad v Hyroad is different. The cores are similarly shaped, but the RG is slightly lower and differential higher in the Crossroad, indicating it will likely hook earlier and more than the Hyroad, not by a whole lot, but certainly noticeable, even on a house shot.

cheech · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2012, 08:01:41 PM »

my post is based on both being at the same surface. i just think the pearl even with the mica will be slightly cleaner up front. i dont think there will be significant diferences between either for most bowlers

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DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:32:37 AM »

In my opinion, the goal of the prodigy was to take the dimension series one step further. By changing the weight block to a stronger one. I don't know if anyone else had this problem, but after about 60 games of heavy use my prodigy died out. happened to two prodigys on heavy oil shots. Then the marvel came out, and it was just the same core with the original gravity cover. This worked better,and probably sold better by advertising the original gravity cover. so they decided to scrap the second dimension cover and go with pearl and hybrid versions of this series. Storm likes to release solid, pearl, and hybrid versions of each line. So I'm pretty sure the difference is like hybrid gravity w/symmetric core vs second dimension 2.0.

About the crossroads, I spoke to Tyler Jensen of storm and he said it's literally a combination of the victory road weight block with the hyroad cover. Again, storm loves doing a solid, pearl, and hybrid in every line. The change in the weight block is subtle, but the high density ball in the inner part of the core has been changed and increased in size to lower the rg and raise the differential. Basically, the block is more center heavy with more flare potential down lane now.

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Bigmike · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2012, 09:35:12 AM »

No disrespect intended to be given here, but there is some misinformation in your posting that needs cleaned up.

The Gravity cover was a R2X pearl cover which is on the Marvel Pearl, the Dimension was the solid version of the R2X cover which is also on the Marvel.

The Second and the Prodigy had the same cover (R2X w/Mica) but the Prodigy had the newer Centripetal core and also came at factory 4000 abralon vs polished 1500 for the Second. The Prodigy has a slight increase in RG and Diff compared to the 2nd also. Both are fantastic control-type balls and may look real good on flatter patterns.

The Modern has my interest because it has the same cover the Virtual Energy had on it. The core is slightly different in regard to the VE with a slight bit more differential, but still I really liked the reaction of that ball especially on THS. I can see the Modern being a great ball to fill the gap for reaction on oil when your big oiler is starting to ping and your pearls are still not catching enough of the pocket to carry yet. It could fill this transition especially with the correct surface adjustments.

DeadWood Pro Shop wrote on 1/21/2012 11:32 AM: In my opinion, the goal of the prodigy was to take the dimension series one step further. By changing the weight block to a stronger one. I don't know if anyone else had this problem, but after about 60 games of heavy use my prodigy died out. happened to two prodigys on heavy oil shots. Then the marvel came out, and it was just the same core with the original gravity cover. This worked better,and probably sold better by advertising the original gravity cover. so they decided to scrap the second dimension cover and go with pearl and hybrid versions of this series. Storm likes to release solid, pearl, and hybrid versions of each line. So I'm pretty sure the difference is like hybrid gravity w/symmetric core vs second dimension 2.0.

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DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:31:50 AM »

I was actually talking about the original virtual gravity. Also, I wasn't speaking of specifically the dimension ball, but rather the series as a whole. When I was speaking about taking the series a step further. Storm changed the weight block, but kept the concept of a low 2.48 Rg core that was in the dimension series ball. The only change was the diff. This is what I was talking about. Yes the cores are different, but the same thought process went into the shape design as the continuum core as far as maintaining similar rg and diff values to keep the same ball motion, but making it stronger.

As far as the R2X being on the marvel and dimension, I never said it wasn't. My main point was what will sell more balls advertising wise. Come get the original VIRTUAL GRAVITY COVER or the original DIMENSION COVER?
The second dimension cover with it's mica will just never be as appealing as the original gravity cover. If they weren't trying to make this distinction, they wouldn't have separated the marvel series from the prodigy and just called modified prodigy name that would go in line with the prodigy. The dimension and second dimension were a series intended to be tied together. The marvel, marvel pearl, and modern marvel follow suit with this. The prodigy while being in the same master series of balls is a separate ball in itself to provide the etm mica that was so popular in the second dimension. That's honestly why I bought it.

And the surface changes to the ball can be attributed to the desire for balls to travel further down the lane and have more traction once it gets there. Across all manufacturers, this has been a trend with high performance balls.

I do agree with your take on the modern marvel though, I don't throw much storm anymore but this series has caught my eye. I have the marvel solid. And may be drilling the modern soon. Don't discount the centripetal core too much though. While the rg and diff may be similar, the symmetric shape with it's unique contours will make the ball move stronger and hit harder than the virtual energy or the dimension series. It's like putting the two together. If the cores shape wasn't important, even if the rg and diff values are similar, then victor marion and his team wouldn't be so important to the success of storm products. They put some pretty next level thinking into the design process for weight blocks.

Edited by DeadWood Pro Shop on 1/24/2012 at 12:38 PM

tommygn · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:55:43 AM »

The Marvel pearl and the Gravity Shift both have the R2X pearl cover with the same oob surface prep.

The Virtual Gravity, the Marvel, and the Dimension all have the solid R2X cover with different oob surface preps.

The Virtual Energy, and the Modern Marvel both have the R2X hybrid cover with different oob surface preps.

The 2nd Dimension and the Prodigy both have the R2X pearl with E.T.M. with different oob surface preps. The difference between the two, is the 2nd Dimension had bigger E.T.M. flecks than what the Prodigy has, so essentially, it is a bit different.

As far as comparing Master line symmetrical cores, the 16lb balls share similar core numbers in the Agents(2.47/.055), Dimensions(2.49/.049), and Marvel lines(2.48/.052), the past three generations of releases in the Master line. The reason for bringing up the Agents is because the core shape is very similar to the now current core shape of the Marvels/ Prodigy.

However, in 15lbs, the RG was raised from the 2.47 in the Agents, and 2.48 in the Marvels, to a 2.51 in the Dimensions. The Dimensions also had the least diff. compared to the three. This greatly changed how the Dimension balls read the lane.

For many bowlers, myself included, CobaltBomb and as well as a current National touring Storm Staffer has attested to, the Prodigy cover reads the heads much more than any of the other balls in the Marvel line with surface. Polishing the Prodigy allows it to be cleaner, and yet smoother down lane than the rest of the Marvel balls(I have not yet polished a Modern Marvel though). It is just the nature of the E.T.M. additive.Using the Modern Marvel and the Prodigy at the same surface prep, the Modern Marvel is much cleaner to the spot than the Prodigy, and comes off the spot more angular.

The cover stock and its surface prep has the greatest influence on how a bowling ball will read oil and how fast it will start slowing down. The core shape influences how that ball will then go through the pins. The two combine to yield overall shape properties of the bowling ball.

(oob= out of box)

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