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2handedrook12

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all storm and roto grip
« on: January 18, 2013, 03:37:31 PM »
Looking for the most continuation from a high performance bowling ball. I don't hear about a nano pearlnbeing compared to a lucid or defiant edge. So I was wwondering what's wrong with the nano pearl?
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 02:57:22 PM »
The Nano Pearl tends to roll a little sooner and does not have "as much" punch down the lane compared to a Lucid, Marvel Pearl or Edge. Belmonte's use of the Marvel Pearl for down lane reaction is a good indicator of the reaction.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 05:20:17 PM »
Quote from: Mr Straight Ball on January 31, 2013, 02:57:22 PM
The Nano Pearl tends to roll a little sooner and does not have "as much" punch down the lane compared to a Lucid, Marvel Pearl or Edge. Belmonte's use of the Marvel Pearl for down lane reaction is a good indicator of the reaction.



When I said this same thing, some joker around on this site swore up and down that the Nano Pearl is this huge downlane ball, its not. Its actually pretty soft downlane. Angle and Nano Pearl are two phrases I have never heard mentioned in the same breath.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 08:21:30 AM »
It depends on how you throw the ball, your release, PAP, how it's drilled.
For example, I've seen some high track players with lots of side rotation make the Nano Pearl go left big time.  Generally, it's a foot or so longer than the Nano and will be a little stronger down lane than the Nano, but it will cover less boards.
The Critical Theory has great midlane read and continuation.  The Marvel Pearl can clearly do the same and it continues to be a favorite for many people and on tour.

The problem is any of these balls on the wrong condition will puke.  We've tested them all and have used several of them for a long time. 
For example, I am a high track player with ~350 revs.  I had my Marvel Pearl pin up and it is long and snappy, as expected.  I have my Critical drilled pin up 45x45, and on sport patterns, it's a beast.  On house patterns, it's a little smoother with less punch.  If you have lighter volumes, the Critical, Lucid, and other aggressive balls labor.  The trouble is many house shots have medium or lighter volumes. 

If you have strong hand, the Marvel Pearl will likely be most versatile.  If you have less hand, I like the Critical Theory.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 09:43:54 AM »
Quote from: TamerBowling on February 01, 2013, 08:21:30 AM
It depends on how you throw the ball, your release, PAP, how it's drilled.
For example, I've seen some high track players with lots of side rotation make the Nano Pearl go left big time.  Generally, it's a foot or so longer than the Nano and will be a little stronger down lane than the Nano, but it will cover less boards.
The Critical Theory has great midlane read and continuation.  The Marvel Pearl can clearly do the same and it continues to be a favorite for many people and on tour.

The problem is any of these balls on the wrong condition will puke.  We've tested them all and have used several of them for a long time. 
For example, I am a high track player with ~350 revs.  I had my Marvel Pearl pin up and it is long and snappy, as expected.  I have my Critical drilled pin up 45x45, and on sport patterns, it's a beast.  On house patterns, it's a little smoother with less punch.  If you have lighter volumes, the Critical, Lucid, and other aggressive balls labor.  The trouble is many house shots have medium or lighter volumes. 

If you have strong hand, the Marvel Pearl will likely be most versatile.  If you have less hand, I like the Critical Theory.

When I said the same thing, some joker around on this site swore that the Nano Pearl was soft downlane and lacked punch.  When I tried to explain that used on the right condition, the Nano Pearl was, in fact, angular...that same joker decided to get personal with his attacks.  Thanks for the post, Tamer.  More proof that this joker must know a little bit about what he speaks of.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 01:32:51 PM »
Your point? On the "right" conditions, plastic can be angular. Save the semantics, when you think anggle and Storm, you think Victory Road, iq tour pearl, frantic etc.Agree to disagree.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 02:41:35 PM »
Even on the right conditions, I don't think of a Nano Pearl as being big bender. It is not one of the balls I look at as having a big move. Just my two cents.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »
Quote from: Jesse James on February 02, 2013, 02:41:35 PM
Even on the right conditions, I don't think of a Nano Pearl as being big bender. It is not one of the balls I look at as having a big move. Just my two cents.
Didn't mean to start an argument, but I would generally agree.  That's what I meant to say when I described it as similar to the solid Nano, but a foot or so longer with a bit more punch.  Nano isn't the punchiest ball out there and I wouldn't consider it a skid/flip type option if that's what you need. 
I know it didn't get any votes in the poll.  In our experience, I would consider it more angular than the Lucid on longer patterns, meaning capable of slightly higher entry angles.  This is from extensive Digitrax testing.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 06:31:24 PM »
Tamer,

You didnt start an argument, millertime and I have battled about this before. He just cant come to grips that he is wrong about the Nano Pearl being an angular ball. Even though, Mr Straight Ball, who has more rev rate than 95% of the users on this site and another well known user, Jesse James both state that the Nano Pearl is not a big backend ball. No harm, no foul. Its just obvious we cant trust millertime when it comes to correctly diagnosing ball motion.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 09:22:20 AM »
Northface can't come to grips with the fact that the Nano pearl IS an angular ball for some people.  Just because it's not angular for him, or Jesse James, or Mr. Straight Ball doesn't necessarily mean it's not angular for somebody else.  I bowl with someone who throws one and it's very angular for him.  It's angular for me...not the most angular ball I own...but ANGULAR, nevertheless.  What I find obvious is you can't trust someone's judgement (Northface28) that doesn't see, or admit, that there is more than just one point of view and more than one user experience.  The Nano pearl is, in fact, an angular ball.  Just depends on what you're bowling on and the user's rev rate, rotation, layout, etc.  I fully realize it's not THE MOST angular ball on the market...but it is AN ANGULAR ball.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 03:55:35 PM »
Quote from: millertime0299 on February 03, 2013, 09:22:20 AM
Northface can't come to grips with the fact that the Nano pearl IS an angular ball for some people.  Just because it's not angular for him, or Jesse James, or Mr. Straight Ball doesn't necessarily mean it's not angular for somebody else.  I bowl with someone who throws one and it's very angular for him.  It's angular for me...not the most angular ball I own...but ANGULAR, nevertheless.  What I find obvious is you can't trust someone's judgement (Northface28) that doesn't see, or admit, that there is more than just one point of view and more than one user experience.  The Nano pearl is, in fact, an angular ball.  Just depends on what you're bowling on and the user's rev rate, rotation, layout, etc.  I fully realize it's not THE MOST angular ball on the market...but it is AN ANGULAR ball.

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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 05:35:50 AM »
I selected the Lucid and Critical theory.  For me, these two out of the other options were the most continuous.  Never got around to taking the polish off the edge to fully see what it could do.  As for the nano pearl, the one I had was drilled 50* 5" 25* and it was pretty angular for me.  however, I had to slow the speed down some. 
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 09:48:04 AM »
Sorry! I didn't mean to fuel an argument! I didn't know we were discussing angularity. I thought it was a discussion about continuation through the pins. For me at my speed, and with the layouts I use, the Critical and Defiant are the clear choices. The Defiant gives a hard arc that doesn't quit, and the Critical is angular, with a very strong and defined move through the pocket area. This is no slight on the Lucid, which is also a very strong, core-driven piece to me. However, it's downlane movement is just not as strong as the other two balls I mentioned.....at least in MY hands, that is.

When comparing these three pieces to the Nano pearl, there is no comparison in my eyes. NP is just a mediocre ball, in terms of continuation through the pins. Just my two cents.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 10:43:56 PM »
I would add the Defiant Soul.
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Re: all storm and roto grip
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 01:54:11 AM »
I have 3 Nano Pearls. They are very angular for me from deep angles when I try to hook them. When I play them squared up with less hand they are smoother and predictable. In my opinion they are very close to the original VG of which I had 3 or 4.

Got a used one in November. Averaging over 240 with it playing an extremely deep line to avoid the wet/dry I see in my league. 2-800's and a 300 in those three months. And I don't think I am throwing it well....lol. Man has the game changed.

And Jesse I hook it plenty. And can play straight like Norm Duke.....but the Nano Pearl is great either way. You should give it a second look with layout or cover tweaks. That core has been around 5 years for a reason.
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