Just punched mine yesterday. Took a day vacation today to throw it and cannot get on the lanes because grade school kids are bowling (all 24 lanes with 4 on a lane)...which is good by the way. Anyway, the ball started with a 4" pin. Layout pin 5" from my axis, mb 5-1/2" from my axis with a 4" buffer which put pin under fingers which is not what I wanted so we shifted the layout up 2" so that pin will be above fingers. Maybe after I have lunch this afternoon I will see how this ball rolls.