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Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« on: January 08, 2010, 04:19:28 AM »
For several years the Storm Tropical has been 'the' entry level ball in the market but at this point it is long in the tooth.  IMO the Columbia Freeze has taken over the best entry level ball and I was wondering if that is enough for Storm to decide to kick-start that level offering.

 

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 12:29:45 PM »
The Freeze is great entry type ball but isnt the Scout still around as the entry ball for Columbia?  I think the Freeze is more along the lines of the Storm Fast or like the Ebonite Smash and the Tropicals more match up with the Scouts or the Tornados.  Still great entry type balls but I wouldnt compare the Freeze to the Tropicals.  Thats just me I guess.


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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 01:19:38 PM »
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The Freeze is great entry type ball but isnt the Scout still around as the entry ball for Columbia? I think the Freeze is more along the lines of the Storm Fast or like the Ebonite Smash and the Tropicals more match up with the Scouts or the Tornados. Still great entry type balls but I wouldnt compare the Freeze to the Tropicals. Thats just me I guess.


Scouts are lower priced than Tropicals.  Tropical, Razyr, and Freeze are the same price.  If Storm still had the Hit line around that is more in the Scout range.

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 02:01:47 PM »
I guess the prices may vary from different places but Im saying that Storms entry Ball is the Tropical, and Columbia has a Scout.  Most places I have checked, the Freeze is more than a Tropical and Razyr but less than the Fast.  I think of the Freeze as a entry mid level ball.


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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 02:11:02 PM »
I think that storm needs to come up with a different line of entry line balls. They could use the core from the too hot and put an accu-tread pearl cover on it and it would be a nice ball. The tropical has a somewhat nice core for the line of balls, but the cover is still too strong for it's intended use as a light oil ball. Or, they could come up with a core like the one in the global 900 link with it being a very mild asymmetrical? They could put the accu-tread pearl or curelyon cover on it and this would be a nice set up.
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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 03:03:00 PM »
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I think that storm needs to come up with a different line of entry line balls. They could use the core from the too hot and put an accu-tread pearl cover on it and it would be a nice ball. The tropical has a somewhat nice core for the line of balls, but the cover is still too strong for it's intended use as a light oil ball. Or, they could come up with a core like the one in the global 900 link with it being a very mild asymmetrical? They could put the accu-tread pearl or curelyon cover on it and this would be a nice set up.
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I think the problem is not so much the Tropical core, but the coverstock. Recator is not such a great choice because of the extreme difference between the solid and the pearl version. The pearl reactor has a built-in skid/flip reaction: far too much backend to control short and light oil on any core. It really needs a 5"+ pin distance to do much good but most drillers can't resist giving people strong drillings on every ball they drill.

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 03:05:56 PM »
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For several years the Storm Tropical has been 'the' entry level ball in the market but at this point it is long in the tooth.  IMO the Columbia Freeze has taken over the best entry level ball and I was wondering if that is enough for Storm to decide to kick-start that level offering.


The Freeze is just a lor of hook for a cheap price. It's good for those who won't spend much money but it's a "terrible" entry level or light oil ball. There's space for 2 or maybe even more types of balls between the Freeze and the next weaker COlumbia ball, the pancake core (and no flip block) Scout.

Heck, even the Jazz was not a good light oil ball, because the coverstock was too strong and it was weaker than the Freeze. Both are excellent balls but terrible fill-ins fo that spot in the COlumbia lineup.

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 07:19:58 PM »
I like the Tropical because of the skid/snap...
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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 09:52:13 AM »
I think the problem here is need versus want.

Most entry level bowlers need a ball with an even, easy to read reaction. Most entry level bowlers want to hook the ball like Tommy Jones.

Most experienced bowlers know they need a light oil ball. Most experienced bowlers I bowl against wanted a light oil ball, but found out after they bought the ball that it was too strong for the intended purpose. This is likely due to them buying an entry level ball thinking it would work on light oil.

IMHO - entry level balls work on light oil only with entry level bowlers - LOL

A better choice is a mid performance ball with a very mild layout. Anything above that will have too much cover in most cases no matter what the surface finish. Anything below that will not have an even rolling core.

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 04:53:52 PM »
I always thought the HotRod or BarbedWire or TooHot, or other similar balls were "good" entry level balls that were made for light oil.  I dont think any of them had wild cores, and all of them had a curelyon or accutread coverstock.

The other good entry ball i thought was the BigHit.  It just sucked cuz it had a pancake core.  If it had something like a simple lightbulb core, it would of been a nice ball.  


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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 05:09:32 PM »
The Freeze is not meant to be a light oil ball, it is a performance ball on the cheap. It is a version of the Messenger core matched with the Momentum cover. What part of that sounds like a light oil ball to you? It is a cheap high performance ball. It not much weaker than the Noize series. It is a great value and Columbia did a great thing with this ball to kick start their sales. It is a great ball but is nowhere close to a light oil ball.
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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 11:54:28 PM »
From the same Storm/Roto Grip company, the planet series such as the Mars and Neptune work very well as entry level performance balls and dry lane balls. They do come with higher price tags.

At Brunswick the Avalanche series also works well on those conditions.
Both of these lines use .018 to .024 Rg Diff cores with decent coverstocks.

The Avalanches don't seem to attract the same customer base as the Tropicals but are priced in the same ballpark

At 900 Global the Link with an Rg Diff of .030 is quite decent with a somewhat higher price.

Here at Storm, the Natural takes a different route with a more sophisticated core and weak cover - but it is not really an entry level ball in price - nice to have in the bag though.

My issue with the tropicals would be the same one I would have with the less expensive Brunswick Power Grooves. While they have high Rg values to get down the lane, they also have medium Rg Diff values which can make them less predictable on dryer lanes or with slower ball speeds.

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Re: Any Chance Storm will finally replace Tropicals?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 01:14:05 PM »
There have been a lot of good points made in this thread, but my original remarks are almost about sales of an entry price reactive ball and what you get for your money.  Remember, the manufacturers in general are targeting these balls at beginner bowlers looking to take a step up from a White Dot.  They really have little interest in selling Tropicals to bowlers who pay attention to ballreviews.  They expect us all to buy the Hot line on up.

Today the lowest price reactive balls out there are the Tornado and the Scout.  I am not a fan of either of these and I avoid selling them at all costs.  Unless someone is buying them as light oil balls for a beginner bowler they hit like a marshmellow compared to a Rayzr.

The next price point which I am calling 'entry level' is the Storm Tropical, Columbia Freeze, and Hammer Rayzr.  My point was and still is that the Tropical was until recently the best ball for the money in this range.  However, at this point the Freeze is clearly the most ball for the money in this price point and while the Rayzr is not as strong of a ball as the other two (pancake core) it is very controllable and hits hard.  

If Storm wants to continue to be the leader at this price point it is time to retire the Tropicals with something else.  If a beginner or slight step up from a beginner bowler wants to move up to a reactive I used to recommend Tropicals. Now I recommend a Freeze or a Rayzr depending on how they throw and what they need the ball to do.