Post by: titletowncards on December 16, 2010, 06:18:19 AM
I thinking of bringing the surface of my Prodigy up to 1500 grit polished.
Wondering if anyone else had done this or not.
I'm thinking it's going to be similar to the 2nd Dimension, maybe a little stronger.
It's not hitting the pins like I would like it too, sort of lackluster when it gets to the pocket. Hopefully this would possibly make me throw a little straighter with more angle to the pocket.
Thanks!
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Current arsenal:
Storm Hy-Road
Motiv Cruel C-51
Roto-Grip Mutant Cell
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl
Storm Eraser PBT
Brunswick C-System 2.5
Post by: urbanshaft on December 16, 2010, 02:36:28 PM
pretty much same as 2nd dimension
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 16, 2010, 04:04:40 PM
Post by: rctc286 on December 16, 2010, 05:49:53 PM
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Post by: CT3 on December 16, 2010, 06:59:08 PM
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Arsenal: Reign of Fire, Swagga,Reign,Reign Supreme,2Fast,4.5,Prodigy,Nomad Solid,Dark Star,SD73,Grenade
Post by: titletowncards on December 16, 2010, 08:54:30 PM
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titletowncards
Current arsenal:
Storm Hy-Road
Motiv Cruel C-51
Roto-Grip Mutant Cell
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl
Storm Eraser PBT
Brunswick C-System 2.5
Storm Prodigy
Hammer Black Widow Bite
Motiv Recon RX 1 Silver Pearl (on the way)
Post by: Bigmike on December 20, 2010, 05:37:55 AM
I am going to see if we have a good used 4000 abralon pad in the shop. I took a T-Road solid back to its box finish of 1000 and then hit it with the used 4000. This made it get thru the front easier and still had some energy stored up for the big finish.
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Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro Shop staff -Columbus, OH
Post by: charlest on December 20, 2010, 06:25:58 AM
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=11&BallID=1059
and it says the Prodigy uses the 500/4000 surface finish process.
That is very aggressive, and not a true 4000 grit finish. This could be your problem. If so, I'd recommend trying the true 4000 grit finish first before applying polish. To do that sand it first with 500 grit, then with 1000 grit, then with 2000 and finally with a 4000 grit pad. This finish will normally give you much more length than the 500/4000 grit process and a more controllable backend.
If this doesn't give you what you think you need, then take it at least to true 2000 grit and then apply a light coat of polish.
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Post by: kmanestor22 on December 20, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
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Post by: Bigmike on December 20, 2010, 07:58:07 AM
I haven't had a particle since my Shift and Secret Agent were retired a couple of seasons ago so my eyes are not used to the "particle" look anymore. Is anyone else seeing this when they see the Prodigy go down the lane?
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"Why don't you call me sometime.....when you have no class" ~~Rodney Dangerfield to Sally Kellerman, his college professor in Back to School ~~1986
Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro Shop staff -Columbus, OH
Post by: titletowncards on December 20, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
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I noticed in the link charlest posted that Bob Hanson noted that this acted like some of the particle pearls he had drilled in the past. The more I think about it, this makes much sense of what I am seeing also reaction wise. Good early roll but controllable like the Secret Agent. I used to bust out my Secret Agent when I needed a smooth reaction that didn't get me in too much trouble.
I haven't had a particle since my Shift and Secret Agent were retired a couple of seasons ago so my eyes are not used to the "particle" look anymore. Is anyone else seeing this when they see the Prodigy go down the lane?
My last Particle ball was the X-Factor Trifecta, and now that you mention it, it does roll pretty similar. I never got a chance to use it much before selling it. The Prodigy coverstock is R2X Pearl Reactive with E.T.M.
Which I assume is some sort of additive to the coverstock similar to Particle. The word Particle has gotten a bad name the last couple of years, so they just change it to make it sound more appealing.
Instead of doing the Polish over a 2000 or 4000, I'm going to bring the coverstock to a 1500 grit polished and see what happens, I like the reaction I see in video's of the 2nd Dimension, there pretty close, same coverstock, Prodigy with a stronger core.
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titletowncards
Current arsenal:
Storm Hy-Road
Motiv Cruel C-51
Roto-Grip Mutant Cell
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl
Storm Eraser PBT
Brunswick C-System 2.5
Storm Prodigy
Hammer Black Widow Bite
Motiv Recon RX 1 Silver Pearl (on the way)
Post by: tburky on December 20, 2010, 07:56:57 PM
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I noticed in the link charlest posted that Bob Hanson noted that this acted like some of the particle pearls he had drilled in the past. The more I think about it, this makes much sense of what I am seeing also reaction wise. Good early roll but controllable like the Secret Agent. I used to bust out my Secret Agent when I needed a smooth reaction that didn''''t get me in too much trouble.
I haven''''t had a particle since my Shift and Secret Agent were retired a couple of seasons ago so my eyes are not used to the "particle" look anymore. Is anyone else seeing this when they see the Prodigy go down the lane?
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Mike I do see that in the box finish. I was told that the prodigy cover has 2 different size loads of mica versus 1 load in the 2nd dimension. I have a prodigy that i lightly hit with 2000 ab then I shined it with reacta shine. Skids a lot more and pops on back. I am planning to drill another prodigy with a similar layout and a weight hole and shine it. The prodigy I have now I am putting on the spinner and lightly hit it on 4 sides with 2000 ab(smooth the cover a little) to see how it rolls. I do like this ball a lot...especially if I have surface on it on a fresh condition. Really blends lane nicely.
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Edited on 12/20/2010 10:05 PM
Post by: titletowncards on December 20, 2010, 09:18:53 PM
Your thoughts make me want to try the 2000 Abralon-Reacta Shine before going through all the steps of 1500 grit polished (360----light 500----Storm Step 1----Storm Step 2).
We'll do that and see how it goes. I can always change it back if I don't like it.
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titletowncards
Current arsenal:
Storm Hy-Road
Motiv Cruel C-51
Roto-Grip Mutant Cell
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl
Storm Eraser PBT
Brunswick C-System 2.5
Storm Prodigy
Hammer Black Widow Bite
Motiv Recon RX 1 Silver Pearl (on the way)
Post by: boysofsummer23 on December 20, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
Post by: Bigmike on December 21, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
Glad to hear a couple of others are seeing what I am out of this ball. I know that the word "particle" used to evoke negative postings and comments especially the ball death ones.
I might be one of the few around who does not mind having a ball that gives the reaction that particle gave. I do like to bowl on sport conditions and particle gave me better control until the condition settled down plus it let me stay out of trouble. I seem to remember some posters arguing that the hybrids would do the same as particle but my hybrids that are more pearl than solid are very snappy on the fresh. I have a Virtual energy that even oil soaked still jumps on the back end off the friction pretty well and this is with a weaker-for-me pin position and no weight hole.
Mike
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I noticed in the link charlest posted that Bob Hanson noted that this acted like some of the particle pearls he had drilled in the past. The more I think about it, this makes much sense of what I am seeing also reaction wise. Good early roll but controllable like the Secret Agent. I used to bust out my Secret Agent when I needed a smooth reaction that didn''''t get me in too much trouble.
I haven''''t had a particle since my Shift and Secret Agent were retired a couple of seasons ago so my eyes are not used to the "particle" look anymore. Is anyone else seeing this when they see the Prodigy go down the lane?
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<font face=''''Trebuchet MS''''>"Why don''''t you call me sometime.....when you have no class" ~~Rodney Dangerfield to Sally Kellerman, his college professor in Back to School ~~1986
Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro Shop staff -Columbus, OH</font id=''''Trebuchet MS''''>
Mike I do see that in the box finish. I was told that the prodigy cover has 2 different size loads of mica versus 1 load in the 2nd dimension. I have a prodigy that i lightly hit with 2000 ab then I shined it with reacta shine. Skids a lot more and pops on back. I am planning to drill another prodigy with a similar layout and a weight hole and shine it. The prodigy I have now I am putting on the spinner and lightly hit it on 4 sides with 2000 ab(smooth the cover a little) to see how it rolls. I do like this ball a lot...especially if I have surface on it on a fresh condition. Really blends lane nicely.
Edited on 12/20/2010 9:57 PM
Edited on 12/20/2010 10:05 PM
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"Why don't you call me sometime.....when you have no class" ~~Rodney Dangerfield to Sally Kellerman, his college professor in Back to School ~~1986
Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro Shop staff -Columbus, OH
Post by: tburky on December 24, 2010, 08:40:54 AM
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tburky,
Your thoughts make me want to try the 2000 Abralon-Reacta Shine before going through all the steps of 1500 grit polished (360----light 500----Storm Step 1----Storm Step 2).
We''ll do that and see how it goes. I can always change it back if I don''t like it.
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titletowncards
Current arsenal:
Storm Hy-Road
Motiv Cruel C-51
Roto-Grip Mutant Cell
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl
Storm Eraser PBT
Brunswick C-System 2.5
Storm Prodigy
Hammer Black Widow Bite
Motiv Recon RX 1 Silver Pearl (on the way)
I suggest doing that ...you may like it. The thing to remember about the prodigy is that it has a 500 grit abralon base with 4000 on top. It is not really a true 4000 smooth surface. Always remember this...there is no rule stating you have to throw the ball at box finish. In my arsenal I have 2 balls that I throw that are box finish. The others I have tweeked the covers to match what my needs are in the arsenal. It is about matching up to your needs. There are some storm pearls I throw at box. But I like to give them some light surface and get a complete different reaction. Mainly 4000 ab on top of 1500 box and a lot of times I use 1000 or 2000 too. Also,I do this with roto grip equipment.
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Post by: titletowncards on December 24, 2010, 01:01:05 PM
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I suggest doing that ...you may like it. The thing to remember about the prodigy is that it has a 500 grit abralon base with 4000 on top. It is not really a true 4000 smooth surface. Always remember this...there is no rule stating you have to throw the ball at box finish. In my arsenal I have 2 balls that I throw that are box finish. The others I have tweeked the covers to match what my needs are in the arsenal. It is about matching up to your needs. There are some storm pearls I throw at box. But I like to give them some light surface and get a complete different reaction. Mainly 4000 ab on top of 1500 box and a lot of times I use 1000 or 2000 too. Also,I do this with roto grip equipment.
Edited on 12/24/2010 10:42 AM
Thanks, I'm pretty knowledgeable about undergrit surfaces and ball surface prep. I got this ball used, so our first choice was to try the OOB surface, 500 abralon, then 4000 abralon over that. I too have only a handful of balls with the OOB surface, it's all about matching to the lane conditions. I've been fighting this 44ft. THS trying to get everything to hook instead of working with it and straightening up on the shot. So, I'll try the 2000 grit with Reacta Shine and see how it does.
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Post by: titletowncards on December 24, 2010, 09:27:46 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 27, 2010, 03:28:09 PM
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Post by: titletowncards on December 27, 2010, 07:09:21 PM
Ball got down the lane and made a nice controllable hard move to the pocket, I was only able to use it for one game because of carry-down, but I like it a lot more now than I did at box finish.
I wonder if Factory Finish Polish would be a better choice than Xtra Shine though.
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titletowncards
Post by: tburky on December 27, 2010, 07:16:20 PM
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Well, did the 2000 abralon then Xtra Shine and it helped alot!
Ball got down the lane and made a nice controllable hard move to the pocket, I was only able to use it for one game because of carry-down, but I like it a lot more now than I did at box finish.
I wonder if Factory Finish Polish would be a better choice than Xtra Shine though.
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titletowncards
don't know...i used factory finish on equipment several years ago but they have changed the carrier in it and has not been the same for me. I use reacta shine and xtra shine.
Post by: bowlerdawg on December 27, 2010, 07:50:45 PM
also got an anarchy too just for kicks and giggles. i will refer back to this thread for surface prep upon arrival
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 03, 2011, 09:26:25 AM
I've polished my prodigy for use on shorter/lighter patterns with great success to this point.
I stone 8s and 9s like its cool...
www.youtube.com/c6evolution2008
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX/Arsenal/
Post by: tburky on January 04, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Decent arsenal that you got Evil
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 05, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
Thanks. I see that you are in Oklahoma. Where abouts? My wife and I just got orders to Oklahoma City and will be there in a few months.
I stone 8s and 9s like its cool...
www.youtube.com/c6evolution2008
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX/Arsenal/
Post by: titletowncards on January 12, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
Well the Prodigy at 2000 Abralon and Xtra-Shine just slides to far down the lane. I thought it would be OK, but it's not quite what I'm looking for.
Couple of choices now.
1. Bring it to a 1500 grit polished ball like the OOB Storm 2nd Dimension
2. Take the surface back down to 2000 or 1000 and try Factory Finish Polish
3. any other suggestions?????
Thanks!
titletowncards
Post by: avabob on January 13, 2011, 08:04:19 AM
After initial success for maybe 30 games in box condtion my Prodigyt lost its reaction. I have tried everything including high polish, but it is totally condition specific now. I have replaced it with a Theory which is not as impressive as the Prodigy out of the box, but has seemed to retain its strong rolly look much longer.