Author Topic: Anyone Throw 14LB? (Read 2317 times)

Jay · « **on:** March 25, 2009, 03:34:37 PM »

I'm wondering if there's a loss in backend, or any major difference in ball reaction, simply because of the different core dynamics when throwing the 14LB Storm balls as opposed to the 15s or 16s. Any information would be great.

J_Mac · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:48:39 PM »

FWIW, it appears that Storm is doing a better job of keeping the numbers closer between the weights with the new Shape-lock HD core (Shifts) and Continuum core (Dimensions).

Keep in mind that when all else is the same, a 14# ball should start to slow down before a 15# ball. This could be why you see "weaker" numbers at 14# than 15# and 16#, but if that's the case, Ebonite et al doesn't buy that theory.

rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:04:00 AM »

No. No loss in reaction or break point shape. I like 14s better. I can throw them more games without tiring, they don't throw off my timing as much, and they carry BETTER. Yeah, I said BETTER.

I have quite a bit of hand 400+ revs and I'm definitely what most would consider a power player.

If I were to throw 15s, they wouldn't deflect enough, and I'd leave 9 pins, 4 pins, and every now and then, both at the same time.

Sure, I might kick a few more 10s, but at the cost of pain in my wrist, getting tired faster, a few 9s and 4s, a few 4-9s...I like the 14s.

I was recently considering going up to 15s, but I thought about the above mentioned things, and I think 14s work just as well, if not better, for me.
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notsohotshot · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:21:50 AM »

nOT SO MUCH WITH STORM BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLDER EBONITE BALLS LIKE THE EXCELS. THE DIFFS ON THOSE BALLS ARE MUCH HIGHER AND HOOK THAT MUCH HARDER THAN THE HEAVIER BALLS. oTHER BRANDS ARE THE SAME WAY.

golfnutFL · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:40:51 AM »

You're 18, how can you get tired?

?? At your age I could throw a hundred games a week without "fatigue."

How about you cut down the "REVS" to save your wrist? Then you'll get better carry with 15 and 16 because you'll produce SPEED and not just REVS.

There is a compromise medium between revs and speed and most pros solve it with 15 or 16 lb equipment. A sore wrist with 14 lbs at 18 years old should be a warning sign that you're doing something wrong.

And no offense intended-- Rob Stone is an insult to bowling, he can't be fired soon enough for me.

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No. No loss in reaction or break point shape. I like 14s better. I can throw them more games without tiring, they don't throw off my timing as much, and they carry BETTER. Yeah, I said BETTER.

I have quite a bit of hand 400+ revs and I'm definitely what most would consider a power player.

If I were to throw 15s, they wouldn't deflect enough, and I'd leave 9 pins, 4 pins, and every now and then, both at the same time.

Sure, I might kick a few more 10s, but at the cost of pain in my wrist, getting tired faster, a few 9s and 4s, a few 4-9s...I like the 14s.

I was recently considering going up to 15s, but I thought about the above mentioned things, and I think 14s work just as well, if not better, for me.
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Edited on 3/26/2009 0:42 AM

rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:50:37 AM »

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You're 18, how can you get tired??? At your age I could throw a hundred games a week without "fatigue."

Health issues. It's not me getting fatigued. It's my muscles getting sore and my tendons hurting (tendonitis).

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How about you cut down the "REVS" to save your wrist? Then you'll get better carry with 15 and 16 because you'll produce SPEED and not just REVS.

There is a compromise medium between revs and speed and most pros solve it with 15 or 16 lb equipment.

I throw it a decent speed off my hand, and I have a great match up between speed and revs.

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A sore wrist with 14 lbs at 18 years old should be a warning sign that you're doing something wrong.

I think the post confused you. I get sore with 15 lb. equipment due to health issues including tendonitis.

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And no offense intended-- Rob Stone is an insult to bowling, he can't be fired soon enough for me.

Absolutely no offense taken. To each his own you have your opinion, and you're entitled to it! I think Rob Stone is a great guy, and have my gripes about his commentary too (Three bagger? WTF is that?!?! You can invent terms, but you can't just take them away! It's a TURKEY!). I don't think there is anyone who would bring the energy he brings to the show, and I don't think that anyone would work as hard as him to promote the sport or learn the sport. If the average guy was suddenly thrown into commentating for a sport he knew NOTHING about, he probably wouldn't take half the interest or half the time to learn as Rob has, IMO.
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Jay · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:04:57 AM »

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FWIW, it appears that Storm is doing a better job of keeping the numbers closer between the weights with the new Shape-lock HD core (Shifts) and Continuum core (Dimensions).

Keep in mind that when all else is the same, a 14# ball should start to slow down before a 15# ball. This could be why you see "weaker" numbers at 14# than 15# and 16#, but if that's the case, Ebonite et al doesn't buy that theory.

I didn't notice that about those cores but you are right. I'd seen the Twin-V and Thunder cores and wondered about this because I may be going back down to 14 sooner or later. Should the 14s slow down sooner simply because its lighter and it has less momentum?

Rocker, I remember that topic you created about possibly going up to 15. With 15s I don't leave many 9s, 4s are more common but still not a whole lot. I only leave 9s when the move off the spot or the ball itself is a little strong. My Avalanche and Rival have their moments in these aspects but I don't feel it's the weight itself. My percentage of 4s, I think, hasn't changed really and I haven't left a 4-9 for a while. My rev rate is quite a bit lower than yours, I'd say I'm in the 275-300 range. It might just be me but I think I left the too occasional 10 pin with 14s but I want to say that was just burn up(which goes with what J-Mac said) or match up problems. Most of my 14s were Ebonite and I didn't do as well with them overall as I do with my Rival or Avalanche. I liked my 15# Whirl Wind though, so I'm not sure if it was a weight problem or that the design of the WW was more suited for me(I think the rest of the balls were high-end stuff: Big One, Angular One, SR300, No Limit). I would hope to be able to go down to 14# though.

rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:13:55 AM »

I really don't think that the 14-15 gap is as much as a lot of people think it is. I mean, 1 lb. in the scheme of things isn't really that much, is it?

I do well with 14s, and when I can afford it, maybe I'll try going up to 15s, and if it doesn't work I'll just go back to 14s. For now, I like my arsenal and can't afford another full arsenal.
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Jay · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:49:51 AM »

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I really don't think that the 14-15 gap is as much as a lot of people think it is. I mean, 1 lb. in the scheme of things isn't really that much, is it?

I couldn't tell you. I'd like to know as well. The numbers for the Twin-V and Thunder cores alone makes me think otherwise, but there are other factors. It's physics, which I know little to nothing about, so someone with more knowledge would have to tell us what actually happens with the difference in weight. I'd like the truth to be that there really isn't much difference, because that's what the core number changes are trying to accomplish. So maybe the real difference is just the weight itself and the pros/cons that go with each, which means it probably depends more on how you throw the ball than anything.

Dgeoe · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:12:54 PM »

A 14 pound ball will hook more, so no, there is no loss in backend. Unless you are throwing on a flood with no backends, or you have very low revs, you won't notice a difference in the hit. It is also easier to get more revs with less effort with 14 pounds.

HangingBananas · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:19:50 PM »

tot he 18 yr old guy with tommy jones like revs...i had the same problem with my wrist hurting...idk if u are but dont bend your wrist back ...keep it straight cause i notcied i tired out quick when i did that and a coach noticed it and helped me keep my wrist straight and prolly saved me from carpal tunnel a few yrs down the road....

just fyi if you are doin what i was doin
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HangingBananas · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:19:52 PM »

tot he 18 yr old guy with tommy jones like revs...i had the same problem with my wrist hurting...idk if u are but dont bend your wrist back ...keep it straight cause i notcied i tired out quick when i did that and a coach noticed it and helped me keep my wrist straight and prolly saved me from carpal tunnel a few yrs down the road....

just fyi if you are doin what i was doin
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1. Roto Grip- Rogue Cell (on the way)
2. Storm- X-Factor Ace
3. Ebonite- The One Remake
4. Storm- X-Factor VPower
5. Maxim Spare Ball

VIXIV · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:40:23 PM »

I have all 14s except for my Break Pearl, which is 15. If I had the same ball in 2 weights, I'd be able to give you an accurate comparison. All I can comment on is the weight difference, which I do not notice at all. Maybe if I played a lot of games, that one pound difference would add up.

jbuzz31 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:45:11 PM »

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Keep in mind that when all else is the same, a 14# ball should start to slow down before a 15# ball.

Thats wrong a 15 or 16 lb ball will roll up sooner than a 15 lb.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:58:22 PM »

Ever see a little kid throw a ball at 1mph? It was still going when it got to the pins - there is not that much loss of speed. I don't think the strike pocket is quite as big with a 14lb ball or to put it another way, Norm Duke gets a lot of carry out of that straight 16lb ball no matter where it hits. For most companies their cores for 14, 15, and 16lb balls are near the same. Usually a special core in used for 12, and 13lb balls. At 10 or 11 lbs you are lucky if you get a puck

As I've gotten older, went to 14# due to arthritis, my scores are down but that is because I can no longer consistently hit the same board everytime. When I do it is strike every frame. As to hook, by varying wrist and hand positions can still get 20 boards of hook, but less is still more - LOL

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