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lefty50

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Avoiding particle
« on: December 17, 2019, 09:04:09 PM »
Once again tonight in league I am reminded that I hate anything that even sniffs of particle Technology. I know the manufacturers don’t blatantly state it anymore but subtly change the terminology. Is there any guaranteed way for Storm equipment that I can guarantee before purchasing that I am working with something devoid of particle technology?
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SVstar34

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 09:14:29 PM »
NRG and MicroTrax covers
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 09:16:13 PM by SVstar34 »
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2019, 11:07:35 PM »
Yep avoid any coverstock with micro or nano in the name.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 11:13:16 PM by BowlingForDonuts »
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2019, 08:03:24 AM »
Does SPEC not count?
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2019, 08:40:33 AM »
No, SPEC actually has no additives in it at all as far as I know . . and yeah, definitely not the greatest idea for a lefty to throw NRG or MicroTrax on a house shot. 

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2019, 04:33:39 PM »
Luke, I wonder if you're saying that because it hooks too much or seems pretty dead. With what I'm seeing, across brands (although I throw 75% Storm), particle is really smooth and lacks pop at the end. Does that sync with what you're saying?
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2019, 09:41:03 PM »
Quote from: lefty50 on December 18, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
... With what I'm seeing, across brands (although I throw 75% Storm), particle is really smooth and lacks pop at the end.  ...

I thought that was supposed to be the reaction of particle?  Grab more in oil, use energy up sooner.  Always worked best for me on heavier oil or some sport patterns.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 10:29:02 PM »
Some of the particle pearls have pretty good pop down lane imo on right conditions (Lane #1 Curve and Visionary Raven for example, technically Black Widow Pink is particle too) especially if there is some carry down where regular pearls would wiggle.  Early friction tends to makes particle balls stand up early in general though (sorry being Mr. Obvious) and solid particle balls at least for me are overkill for house shot.
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lefty50

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 11:44:06 PM »
MI, I agree. That's a lot of my point. As a low rev senior with a declining speed on top of everything else, using up energy sooner is a bad thing.
BFD, same agreement re: standing up early. This used to be a really bad thing for me and (IMHO) a major cause of most of my problem with corners. These days not so much because I'm much more aware.
Strangely enough, and maybe I'm wrong, the Idol and Halo were exactly same issue, but everything I see said they are not particle, but man, they sure acted like it for me.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2019, 12:00:34 AM »
Quote from: lefty50 on December 18, 2019, 11:44:06 PM
Strangely enough, and maybe I'm wrong, the Idol and Halo were exactly same issue, but everything I see said they are not particle, but man, they sure acted like it for me.

Idol and Halo use the same MicroTrax S18 cover, "particle" cover they just don't use the term nowadays.

If you open the tech sheet PDF from the Idol page on Roto's site, it mentions Nano technology
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2019, 12:35:40 AM »
My only big takeaway from posts about the Idol was that it used a nano cover.  It's even in the stock description here on the site.

Correction: second takeaway was how much Luke loooooooves nano.
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lefty50

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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2019, 05:52:09 AM »
Dang! Well, that makes sense and fits what my eye saw but my brain couldn't find. I hated both those balls.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2019, 08:15:52 AM »
Quote from: BowlingForDonuts on December 18, 2019, 10:29:02 PM
Some of the particle pearls have pretty good pop down lane imo on right conditions (Lane #1 Curve and Visionary Raven for example

Yah know... Jason at VBP was trying hard to make covers that didn't soak and yet still hooked.

Looking back on it.. The Raven with its light particle load rolled very similar to the Crux Prime, maybe a tad stronger off the spot being a pearl.  I went back and watched my video,  if i remember right it was not a complete fresh pattern but was not burnt either.

SPEC    Small Particle Enhanced Cover?  No soaky but some particle for traction???
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2019, 09:49:57 PM »
Yeah, I definitely do love nano . . but from the right side it's a different story.  There's already plenty enough ball motion on the left side of the lane, so unless you have the volume, there's just no reason for it most of the time for most people. 

Any "Micro" Roto cover is nano, and of course NRG balls from Storm are nano.  There's also some blends, the Sure Lock cover for example also had nano in it. 

Quote from: Mbosco on December 19, 2019, 12:35:40 AM
My only big takeaway from posts about the Idol was that it used a nano cover.  It's even in the stock description here on the site.

Correction: second takeaway was how much Luke loooooooves nano.
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Re: Avoiding particle
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2019, 12:41:28 AM »
Plenty of motion on the left side already?????? Ummmm. No.....

Curiosity though, what Storm balls do NOT have Nano in the current lineup?
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