Author Topic: Balance hole on Virtual last option? (Read 4517 times)

LaneHammer20 · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 01:49:29 PM »

Well once again after more surface changes, the ball still is just not strong enough. It's length is just to long, it is effotless length like a pearl ball, wants to move hard in the back, but on oil is is normally to late, and with all the length is a over under reaction.

Last week I went to 1500 abralon, still to long, better than OOB, but still to long. Tongiht had it at 1000 abralon, and although better, still would leave me washout's if I wasn't spot on. Definitly had to keep my speed in check, to make sure it didn't go past the break point. Wish I would have brought my pin down Dimension at same surface to compare.

I am going to league at the house my driller owns. Am wanting to put a balance hole in it, to see if it helps get some better midlane. Anybody got some suggestions, I am not going to redrill, would probably sell it. Hoping a balance hole will help. Anyone?
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:56:55 PM »

Ok sell it buy a mega friction then you will set, if you cannot hook a Mega Friction throw plastic straight and stop trying to hook a ball.

Not directed at you just throwing that comment out there

Medichal · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:02:41 PM »

GO ahead and redrill the ball . Either put a double thumb layout or a dual angle layout these are very strong layouts that will make this ball explode the pins. Just make sure you go to a ball driller who knows how to do these lay outs. You won't be dissappointed. Let me know how the ball reacts if you do this.

Burak Natal · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:13:34 AM »

What is the location of the MB? (drilling angle/distance from PAP)
Virtual Gravity has a strong MB. It should be drilled properly based on your PAP. That could be one reason.

Balance holes can help tweaking reaction. Can help slightly increase or degrees flare, as well as manipulating the flare ring separation. However, MB must be placed properly in the first place. Larger MB distance/drilling angles can make any strong asymmetrical ball/core take forever before standing up/hook.

Please check the layout and your PAP. Re-drill it with a strong drilling angle (i.e. 45*) if needs be. Then adjust the reaction by x-hole and surface.

By the way, I didn't know there is "1500 abralon". Where exactly did you find it?

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axeweldr · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:20:03 AM »

Valentino has 1500 pads. I got a few from him, when he had a sale a few months back.

John
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Burak Natal · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:22:55 AM »

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Valentino has 1500 pads. I got a few from him, when he had a sale a few months back.

I know John, but they are Valentino Pads, not abralon

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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:43:35 AM »

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Ok sell it buy a mega friction then you will set, if you cannot hook a Mega Friction throw plastic straight and stop trying to hook a ball.

Oh I have already thought of that.

quote:
GO ahead and redrill the ball . Either put a double thumb layout or a dual angle layout these are very strong layouts that will make this ball explode the pins. Just make sure you go to a ball driller who knows how to do these lay outs. You won't be dissappointed. Let me know how the ball reacts if you do this.

I am leary of a redrill, one, I am not a fan of redrilling, just something in my head is against it, would rather sell and buy another one with a different drill.

quote:
What is the location of the MB? (drilling angle/distance from PAP)
Virtual Gravity has a strong MB. It should be drilled properly based on your PAP. That could be one reason.

Balance holes can help tweaking reaction. Can help slightly increase or degrees flare, as well as manipulating the flare ring separation. However, MB must be placed properly in the first place. Larger MB distance/drilling angles can make any strong asymmetrical ball/core take forever before standing up/hook.

Please check the layout and your PAP. Re-drill it with a strong drilling angle (i.e. 45*) if needs be. Then adjust the reaction by x-hole and surface.

By the way, I didn't know there is "1500 abralon". Where exactly did you find it?

My layout is 5 5/8 x 4MB, pin above bridge, which seems to put the mb aorund 55-60 degress. Pics are in the archives under virtual gravity. At times I think it might be the longer pin to pap distance.

I am wondering if balance hole will help, the flare seperation is quite tight, but it still flares 4-5 inches.

It is Valentino pad that I am using, just said abralon, my bad. Basically same thing, only the Valentino's last way longer.
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Edited on 2/18/2009 7:44 AM

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:50:27 AM »

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I am leary of a redrill, one, I am not a fan of redrilling, just something in my head is against it, would rather sell and buy another one with a different drill.

You just need to get it out of your head -- there's nothing wrong with plugged and redrilled equipment! (Slight FIGJAM for example purposes: I threw a twice-plugged Gravity Shift the other week when I had 19 out of 20 strikes at one point) You aren't going to kill the ball dynamics, and it's much, much cheaper than getting a new ball.

Burak Natal · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:59:05 AM »

Try strong hole down your VAL or into the MB or flare increasing hole 6-3/4 inches away on the line from the pin through your PAP.
3 inches deep with a 1 inch drill bit will be fine.

Just incase, I would have my PAP re-checked if I were you.

That ball is awesome. I hope you get the reaction you want.
Good Luck,
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Natal

riggs · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2009, 07:47:17 AM »

I plug and redrill balls all the time. The only time it is an issue is if you have drilled a lot of the weight block out.

tizzle · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2009, 07:51:32 AM »

im with him, i know performance wise it does nothing, but the appearance of it, I can't put that in my bag... its just me!

ballcollector · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:08:55 AM »

Re-drilling does alter the performance. Everytime a drill bit hits the block you change the dynamics of the core.

Monster Pike · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:23:17 AM »

There's nothing wrong w/redrilling the ball. I have a redrilled Shift & it's my go to ball. I just moved the pin so it's just above my ring instead of just below. Left the balance hole where it was. I think it's when you're changing a layout drastically & filling & drilling balance holes is maybe when you'd have more of a problem. Not an expert on this subject JMO as to my observations. If redrilling was bad, then why all the people selling/trading used balls on this site?
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:17:52 AM »

redrilling would be my last option, would like to ry balance hole first. It might not do much of anything, and if not I will think about plug and redrill, with the pin below my fingers and a little closer to PAP.

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Just incase, I would have my PAP re-checked if I were you.

I just got that checked again like 3 months ago. It was lower than the previouse one, around the average for most people 5 1/4 x 1/2, but lower than the 5 5/8 x 3/4 I used to be.
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FrontTwelv · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:32:54 AM »

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My layout is 5 5/8 x 4MB, pin above bridge, which seems to put the mb aorund 55-60 degress. Pics are in the archives under virtual gravity. At times I think it might be the longer pin to pap distance.

I am wondering if balance hole will help, the flare seperation is quite tight, but it still flares 4-5 inches.

this info is all dependant on rev-rate and track circumference.

thats a weak layout. you should move that pin closer to 4 1/2 to 5" for more track flare.
the mb position is ok at the 55-60*, but that promotes more length (viewed to be weaker in heavier oil conditions)
the VAL angle could really be helpful when drilling for a specific condition. just remember the closer the pin gets to your VAL (the smaller the angle becomes, but no less than 30* or it could get wacky) the more the ball will jump off the dry.
I like a smooth rxn on oil. i would suggest somethign like 45* x 4 3/4 x 50*. this should flare a good amount, start up strong in the midlane and roll hard but not snap off the friction.
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Columbus, OH

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