...with my Sure Fire. It is drilled 5x4 pin up, with a 4000 abralon plus snake oil surface. shot a 242, 248, and 245 for a 735 series. only two opens the entire series, with a big 4 split 8th frame of first game, and 4-7-10 split in the 10th frame if the last game. first one was the result of one bad shot and the second one my thumb stuck a little bit and caused me to pull the ball in a few boards. other than that i was in the pocket all night. the sure fire for me is very aggressive, but smooth enough to be readable, as in knowing what its gonna do as soon as it leaves my hand. I love this ball.