I would say the Code Red is probably weaker than the Defiant Soul overall. The 77H coverstock should be stronger than the R2S coverstock. The shape is probably different too, where the Code Red goes longer but is stronger off the spot. Both have/had strong asymmetrical cores so I don't think there's a big difference there.

I really liked my Defiant Soul but it wasn't one that got way down the lane and made a hard turn. That's not to say it was early, but it really fit the "hybrid" role of being between the early and late motions.

With that said at the same surface I wouldn't think there is a huge difference. I would still bet on the Defiant Soul handling more oil though. And for what it's worth just about any ball these days easily takes to surface changes. Don't put too much stock into advertising saying (or not saying) that specifically.

I would say the Code Red is probably weaker than the Defiant Soul overall. The 77H coverstock should be stronger than the R2S coverstock. The shape is probably different too, where the Code Red goes longer but is stronger off the spot. Both have/had strong asymmetrical cores so I don't think there's a big difference there.

I really liked my Defiant Soul but it wasn't one that got way down the lane and made a hard turn. That's not to say it was early, but it really fit the "hybrid" role of being between the early and late motions.

With that said at the same surface I wouldn't think there is a huge difference. I would still bet on the Defiant Soul handling more oil though. And for what it's worth just about any ball these days easily takes to surface changes. Don't put too much stock into advertising saying (or not saying) that specifically.

Thank you.  Your information is very useful and is definitely making me think if a Code Red is a need or want.

Quote from: mrwizerd on August 04, 2017, 08:00:11 AM

Thank you.  Your information is very useful and is definitely making me think if a Code Red is a need or want.

To be fair you also have to consider the mileage on your Defiant Soul. It's current state may very well be... inferior, for lack of a better term off the top of my head, to a new Code Red. Even with constant maintenance some balls just die. Not saying yours definitely has, but keep that in mind.

I have 2 D/S --- neither one of mine have died yet, they still kick. I hope they last for a long , long time! Need a D/S remake!