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Title: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 29, 2008, 10:58:59 AM
I was checking out the videos on the Storm website and Pete mentions that he thinks the Dimension acts like an old urethane ball used to.

Does this refer to this Cell-type reaction it has?  I have been thinking of trying a Cell or Dimension.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: charlest on July 29, 2008, 09:14:37 PM
I am about 95-99% sure, he means with the stock surface, the Dimension (and the Cell) are very even and early reacting balls with an arc-ing ball path. That is/was the definition for unpolished urethane balls. Polished, of course, they can be more resin-like, that is, more flippy reacting.

That is exactly what I found with my Cell. I am certain that was the reason the Dimension was designed.

Oh, unlike most urethane balls, these two have a lot of continuation at the backend, despite the early rolling type of reaction.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: tburky on July 29, 2008, 09:33:57 PM
For me the dimension is a little cleaner through the front and more continuous on back than the cell. Both balls are arc a lot and are very readable.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: n00dlejester on July 30, 2008, 07:55:36 AM
My Dimension is a hockey stick on fresher shots, and when the shot breaks down, I barely have to move!  It gets through the heads really easily, and I have mine at 1000 Abralon.  At 2000 Abralon it was skidding too far for me.

Good ball, amazing continuation and carry.  It's a PERFECT compliment to the Gravity Shift.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: charlest on July 30, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
That's odd, tburky & n00dlejester.
The first time the Dimension was mentioned here, a bunch of people compared it to the Cell and almost without exception they all said it was earlier and hooked more than the Cell. Therefore it was better than the Cell ... for them.

Now, you two are saying yours is longer than the Cell.

The picture of the Dimension grows more clouded with every discussion about it.

I assumed the "Pete" that Fluff E Bunnie mentioned was Pate Weber. He seems to think it's a very urethane-like reaction.

So what gives?
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: tburky on July 30, 2008, 04:14:54 PM
calling it like I see it after about 40 games with 2 of each ball. A buddy of mine did some video for me a while back so i can look at look at my approach and watching the video after it was done the dimension is 2 to 3 ft longer than the cell and a little more pop on the back. Both balls similar layouts and surface. Not sure if my buddy still has the video.

Edited on 7/30/2008 4:17 PM
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: mrbowlingnut on July 30, 2008, 04:19:15 PM
Mine is longer and more backend than the Cell, the Cell for me is a lackluster ball not enough oil for it in Vegas anymore.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: normy on July 30, 2008, 05:19:59 PM
My dimension is very long as well. My dimension with the pin over fingers goes as long as my gravity with pin under fingers. Dimension is just a lot more agressive and handles more oil.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Monster Pike on July 30, 2008, 05:41:28 PM
Well, obviously it's all in how you layout the drilling & finish, or don't, the surface.  I have pin even & just right of ring & this ball is strong.  I've only bowled 3 games on it (Cheetah pattern) & it took off on me.  I have a Special Agent drilled longer in used oob condition that would've worked beeter on it.  But I love the Dimension to go w/my Gravity.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: SVstar34 on July 30, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
From what I've seen, the Dimesnion is slightly longer than the Cell and a little stronger on the back as well as better continuation
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: backswing_aplenty on July 30, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
I think people are seeing the response time of the core differences in terms of how early or late the ball hooks.  For higher rev guys assymetrics provide a smoother breakpoint and symmetrics respond quicker.  The opposite for lower rev guys.

A ball that responds quickly to friction will make the pattern you're bowling on seem shorter, and a smoother response with make the pattern seem longer.

I sell the Dimension as Cell roll with a little more reaction on back.


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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: n00dlejester on July 30, 2008, 07:28:09 PM
quote:
That's odd, tburky & n00dlejester.
The first time the Dimension was mentioned here, a bunch of people compared it to the Cell and almost without exception they all said it was earlier and hooked more than the Cell. Therefore it was better than the Cell ... for them.

Now, you two are saying yours is longer than the Cell.

The picture of the Dimension grows more clouded with every discussion about it.

I assumed the "Pete" that Fluff E Bunnie mentioned was Pate Weber. He seems to think it's a very urethane-like reaction.

So what gives?
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Actually the first review, from Britton, he said it was longer and stronger in the back than the Cell.  Which is partially the reason I got it actually.  Quite the monster ball in general though, woo.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: tuckinfenpins on July 31, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
just got dimension and threw it on the chameleon pattern, ball is sick reads the midlane well and does not jump off the dry hits harder than any other ball ive ever owned.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Monster Pike on July 31, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
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just got dimension and threw it on the chameleon pattern, ball is sick reads the midlane well and does not jump off the dry hits harder than any other ball ive ever owned.
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But does it hit like a "truck"?  LOL!
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on August 13, 2008, 07:43:22 AM
Dude my Big Hit hits like a truck.
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Dan Belcher on August 13, 2008, 07:53:26 AM
You mean your Big Hit doesn't hit like a "Big Hit"?  That's crap.

A buddy of mine punched up a Dimension the other day.  Pin up, probably around a 4.5" pin to PAP layout.  I'd sum it up as having the motion of a Special Agent with the continuation and total hook of the Cell.  That thing is a beast.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Oskuposer on August 13, 2008, 08:05:47 AM
I threw my g/f and its 14 and i was still stonning 9 pins on a medium shot with carry down.  When i get more money for a new ball thats what im getting
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: strokerdave on August 13, 2008, 08:48:29 AM
how would the dimension compare to agent.
my current benchmark ball.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Dan Belcher on August 13, 2008, 08:55:17 AM
quote:
how would the dimension compare to agent.
my current benchmark ball.
The original Agent has a Reactor pearl coverstock while the Dimension has the R2X solid coverstock.  The more aggressive R2X is stronger than the Reactor in general for an earlier read and the ability to handle more oil, plus that's the nature of a solid compared to a pearl anyway.  Therefore, just based on the coverstocks alone, there's quite a big difference in the two balls.  The Dimension is going to be more useful on heavier/longer patterns and when you have a lot of carrydown.  The cores on the Agent and the Dimension are both fairly low RG, rolly cores with a good amount of continuation.  The Dimension has an even more continuous motion than the Agent from what I've seen.  This gives you good pin carry, consistent ball motion, and good control.

To sum it up, when you see oil, the Dimension will be your friend.  When you see a little more friction, the Agent should work nicely.
Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Sasch on August 15, 2008, 06:47:09 AM
My Dimension is drilled Storm Layout #1 B (Pin above Fingers 5 3/4). My Dimension is straight like a Dart. Any ideas why?
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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: charlest on August 15, 2008, 07:10:30 AM
quote:
My Dimension is drilled Storm Layout #1 B (Pin above Fingers 5 3/4). My Dimension is straight like a Dart. Any ideas why?
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- too much oil
- too little oil
- drilling not appropriate for your release/delivery specifications.
- drilling not apporpriate for your desired ball reaction

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Title: Re: Dimension reaction shape question
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 15, 2008, 02:11:34 PM
Sasch, can you give us some of your stats. I've never seen a Dimension that does not stand up.

In general, I know which layout you did the key is roughly 2-3" off of the midline. The ball could actually be to strong and it's hooking long before you ever see it.