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blockhater

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Street Rods reaction
« on: July 01, 2008, 10:49:40 AM »
Anybody finding the Street Rods (even the pearl) to be WAYYY smoother than any other Storm ball? I'm not talking a little bit, I'm talking night and day. I have the pearl and it is amazingly smooth. It offers a very different reaction to my arsenal and I'm loving it! First 2 games out of the box 257, 279 and I feel its going to have a lot of use when the backends are flying..

Anybody have any thoughts, similar or differing?

 

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 07:16:05 PM »
Well how is yours drilled?

Mine - http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x16/madcelt2000/IMG_0305.jpg

4.5"x3.5" X-hole on PAP

On a medium THS that has sat for a few hours mine gives me a disgusting amount of room at the breakpoint and recovers in a flip/hard arc from outside 10.  On this particular pattern I find no need to play down and in, but could if I felt the need.

However, on the same THS that was fresher to start with and then had about 5 games thrown on it, my SRP smooths out and still has great carry at the pocket.  I used it down 10 Sunday night in league.
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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 09:06:49 PM »
J_Mac,

Doesn't that drilling smooth out the reaction of a lot of balls??
(I've only tried it a couple of times.)
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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 09:20:02 PM »
My Street Rod Solid is wayyy smooth. It is a beautiful rolling monster. I like it polished, clears the heads like nothing, and a nice little pop. Great cover/core combo imo.
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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 09:21:16 PM »
You're reading it right. Storm has other balls that hook less (e.g. TROPICALS) but SR PEARL rolls much smoother.

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 09:25:45 PM »
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J_Mac,

Doesn't that drilling smooth out the reaction of a lot of balls??
(I've only tried it a couple of times.)



Mmm... which part are you thinking smooths it out?  I'm not really sure it's a "smooth" layout because I'm not a big fan of this particular layout.

It is a longer transition (smoother) at the breakpoint compared to my redrilled Toxic - http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x16/madcelt2000/IMG_0331.jpg

I feel the flip/hard arc that I see is more a result of the core/cover combo because the Toxic didn't really exhibit that type of reaction with it's old layout which was very similar to the one on my SRP.

Apologies for sidetracking the original topic, but I felt like sharing my experiences rather than sending a PM.


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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 09:40:09 PM »
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quote:
J_Mac,

Doesn't that drilling smooth out the reaction of a lot of balls??
(I've only tried it a couple of times.)



Mmm... which part are you thinking smooths it out?  I'm not really sure it's a "smooth" layout because I'm not a big fan of this particular layout.



Acrtually the pin is rather high, and, thus, long (from the PAP), plus kicking the CG out (and the weight hole) usually reduces the backend, in my experience.

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It is a longer transition (smoother) at the breakpoint compared to my redrilled Toxic - http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x16/madcelt2000/IMG_0331.jpg



A bit of a HIGH pin! CG next to ring finger??

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I feel the flip/hard arc that I see is more a result of the core/cover combo because the Toxic didn't really exhibit that type of reaction with it's old layout which was very similar to the one on my SRP.



Because, I believe, that layout smoothes the backend a little bit, by reducing the backend.

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Apologies for sidetracking the original topic, but I felt like sharing my experiences rather than sending a PM.


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I believe it's germane to the discussion.

blockhater could be see his smoothness for a similar reason. The ball is not inherently smooth reacting, according to two recent reviews: BTM's and BJI's. A lot depends on the cover and the bowler,of course.
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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 05:23:47 AM »
Well its not the bowler. Without manipulating my hand I don't tend to see smooth very often. I get around the side of it quite a lot, have high speed and rev rate and have skid-flip tendencies even with solid covers and much lower RG balls.

I have the ball drilled with the pin 5" from my PAP and just above the fingers, very small CG swing (makes no difference because no weight hole). This is typically a skid-flip layout for me, hence why I asked the question. I would say the differential is the factor, however I have tropicals and jolts that flare less and have a much snappier reaction shape.

Riggs -

Thanks for your concise response, I trust your judgement of the balls and that tells me all I need to know. This reaction is something different for me and I can see it being very useful when I don't want much angle through the pins (snappy backends, shorter patterns, twister pins etc)

Is the solid as smooth as the pearl? How much oil volume can it handle? I've only thrown the pearl on 2 conditions and it looked quite weak compared to other balls I had with me.

Do you use either or both Street Rods and what do you use them for?

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 05:30:32 AM »
Oh I forgot to add, both patterns I have used it on were not THS. One was a high level tournament where it only got a few shots in practice as the look didn't suit, the other was on wood and I dressed them myself with a decent amount of oil outside. For comparison it was possible to get 3 off the right with my Special Agent (I know, cos I did lol ) so you get an idea what the outside of the lane played like. Having said that, the track was hooking.

It was because my test conditions so far have been so limited that I asked the question here before I order the Solid....

PS I don't tend to take tooo much from the BJI/BTM reviews. I feel they have lost a lot of objectivity over the years and often find my experiences of the balls do not tally their comments. Perhaps its the limited layouts they use or test conditions, but just my feelings. You get a more rounded picture asking a cross section of players, i.e. these boards.

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 09:20:37 AM »
I left my SR SOLID box finish and have not had much opportunity to use it in regionals this year as every pattern but SHARK has played like a version of CHEETAH and the SOLID provides too much early hook with all the dry to the right. (And we haven't bowled on Shark since April.) In other words, SOLID can handle oil. And its move is similar in smoothness. With the hook this year in regionals, my SR PEARL has gotten a lot of use. Actually, though, it was best for me at the NRPC where the lanes were much tougher and scores were much lower. Smooth roll = control. The easier patterns I have found myself using balls like my PARADIGM that I often use on house shots. Word is they are going to toughen up patterns this month, though.

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2008, 01:00:47 PM »
Cheers Riggs.... Very insightful.

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2008, 04:33:38 PM »
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PS I don't tend to take tooo much from the BJI/BTM reviews. I feel they have lost a lot of objectivity over the years and often find my experiences of the balls do not tally their comments. Perhaps its the limited layouts they use or test conditions, but just my feelings. You get a more rounded picture asking a cross section of players, i.e. these boards.


I don't understand it either, but BTM's reviews seem less reflective of most bowlers' experiences with many balls it tests.

However, Joe Cerrar, now doing the the BJI reviews, for the past 2+ years, seems much better in getting the read on ball that most AVERAGE bowlers will get. I am coming to rely more on him to get a picture of many balls.

As for a cross section here, that remains in doubt, except for a very few people. Most do not even know their own release specs, don't know what they're bowling on and don't do any comparisons to any other balls. 95% (maybe higher) of ballreviews's reviews are worthless. I thought about that percentage, but it is 95 or higher, near as I can tell.

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Re: Street Rods reaction
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2008, 12:35:06 PM »
OK I should have qualified the statement about here: You learn to ignore people who obviously don't have a clue, but there are a good number of quality posters on the boards whose opinions are valid and accurate, e.g. Riggs and JC on this board in particular. If you can separate those who do know from those who don't, these boards are insightful.

Thats good to know about the BJI reviews. I gave up reading those some years ago and relied on BTM, but with BTM reviews getting stale I rely more on opinions here, talking to people and trusting my eyes!