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Mr Straight Ball

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Do you really know your RPM number?
« on: July 22, 2008, 02:17:27 AM »
I am posting this here as all to often I see people throwing a number out at a point of reference for soliciting help. For those that have posted a RPM number, is it official or unofficial. I know my official CATS number, that's why I am curious.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 10:21:23 AM »
My number I use when describing my game came from CATS at the stadium.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 10:24:07 AM »
Good thread.  When I was working with advanced bowling concepts running bowlers MAP analysis I knew mine exactly and can probaly guess really close to others within 15-30rpms.  We had a running joke that for anyone online stating their RPM guestimate that's never been measured, take off about 75rpms and that's more like your true number
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 10:42:29 AM »
I use my official CATS number when I reference it for people on this site.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 10:43:59 AM »
DJ that's funny..."your number - 75 = real life"

I found out on a trip that my number was higher then I would have given myself credit for.

My 10 ball average at Kegel was 510.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2008, 11:00:55 AM »
I use my CATS number but.... The CATS system is flawed it is based on how much a person with a rev rate of X would have there ball hook on a house shot (it does not actually count the revs) or take in the oil pattern.  I have been on the cats system a fair number of times.  When do cats on long heavy oil my rev rate is lower 270 when i do it on medium oil it reads 330 when i take it on a drier pattern it reads 420.  I use the number i get on medium oil (viper).

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 11:07:17 AM »
In theory, a shorter pattern should lesson your number as the ball slows down faster. I am not saying I am 100% right but it's all speculation on how length or volume affects the data.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 11:59:43 AM »
Just one other thing to keep in mind about rev-rates, is that not only is it relative to oil volume and viscosity, it is also relative to the rg and diff. of the ball of choice, as well as the surface of the ball. Low rg high diff. ball will rev up easier, giving a higher rev-rate than a high rg, low diff. ball.

The most accurate testing should be done with a med rg, med. diff ball on a medium length pattern with a medium viscosity oil on a medium friction surface.

Since all stars and planets are not aligned for this type of testing, the most important thing in my opinion is that your revs match your ball speed.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 12:09:17 PM »
Shades measured me at about 325 to 350. What's interesting is we also measured my famed one finger sling shot (just the thumb and middle finger in the ball) and that came out about 185. I use that one to line up off the Glue (Dale Traber). Snagged three regionals using it over the years and I preach to a lot of big hand guys but no one seems to take the time to add it to their cache of weapons.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 12:11:57 PM »
Mr. Straight ball....I'm surprised you can't hook it!

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PS most guys with 510 revs can at least get it to wrinkle!
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 12:17:11 PM »
With this proven theory, I'll use it:

Guesstimate:  325-350
Theory: -75
Real:  250-275
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 01:55:33 PM »
LuckyLefty...the name and signature provide my friends laughter.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 01:58:35 PM »
Well I previously had it measured but have changed so much since I did I don't have an accurate measurement.

I feel i'm close to where I was when I got it measured via CATS but to be on the safe side i'll say i'm lower than that now, so probably 275rpms.

I was measured at 315 for a 10 shot average around a year ago.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 02:02:28 PM »
Riggs,

I will have to work on that one finger shot so I can use it against you next year!!!  Hope all is well out your way.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 02:08:00 PM »
Lefties, keep both fingers in the ball, they give friction & hold free over there. Why do you think us right handers learned to play there? LMAO
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