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Mr Straight Ball

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Do you really know your RPM number?
« on: July 22, 2008, 02:17:27 AM »
I am posting this here as all to often I see people throwing a number out at a point of reference for soliciting help. For those that have posted a RPM number, is it official or unofficial. I know my official CATS number, that's why I am curious.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2008, 02:56:50 PM »
I have calculated my rev rate from watching the rotation of the ball in a video taken from behind.  It's anywhere between 225rpm and 250rpm depending on the day and how I'm having to throw it.  I have actually never bowled anywhere with a full CATS system before.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 04:04:43 PM »
a lot of people seem to think im up around 400, im thinking its closer to 300-325.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 04:18:56 PM »
In 1998 at the Stadium, CATS had me at 540 per Ron DeGroat using a Triton Elite Solid.  At a Track Clinic, a certified instructor (Kelly Bednar) had a rev calculator on his computer and on the THS I was bowling on, he clocked me at 570 and I was using a Dry Heat.
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 04:21:09 PM »
People tell me I'm somewhere between 150-500

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 10:31:50 PM »
Mr. Straight....I knew that!

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 11:14:04 PM »
i think im between 1-2
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 05:10:54 AM »
I've thrown on CATS several times, the most recent my rev rate averaged 520. About 18 months prior was my last CATS test which read 450. I tend to go with the lower value because I don't really think 520 is accurate, my guess is the calibration was out that day. So funnily enough with my posts the formula is CATS - 75 lol

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008, 06:16:57 AM »
Part of my reasoning on this comes from Osku and Belmo being tracked in the low 600's. Given that I feel like a little girl bowling next to them I figured I can't be within 100 lol.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2008, 09:16:23 AM »
Blockhater,

With those type of revs...your game should LOVE a block!

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2008, 11:17:49 AM »
LOL. Yeah seems to be the only patterns I can play on at the moment! Its more about hating what blocks do for the game

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2008, 11:43:32 AM »
Who does not like seeing the block on the lanes these days? Plus, add in the balls and you have a potential slaughter of the pins in the making. The shot seems to be a real sticking point these days, hope USBC steps in like they should have done a long time ago and finds a point in the middle that's fair not only left to right but also from 200 rpms to 500+ rpms.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 02:14:55 PM »
Riggs,

Isn't that release hard to control or hang on to the ball?
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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 04:05:02 PM »
Yes, you do have somewhat less control. Idea is that you create more ball reaction - and therefore miss area - with the lower revs.

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2008, 06:34:54 AM »
You can use the following method to more accurately calculate your rev rate:

Find and mark your PAP with white tape (or a contrasting colour to your ball colour) and make a line with tape from your PAP to just above your ring finger hole. Set a video camera down on the approach to get the right level for videoing the ball motion and tape yourself throwing a shot.

Play back the video using software that allows you to advance one frame per click and time how long it takes the ball to complete 1 revolution. Divide that time (in seconds) by 1 to find your revs per second, then multiply by 60 to get it into RPMs.

For this method to be successful you not only need software that can play one frame per click, you need to take video in as high a frame rate (FPS) as possible in order to not miss time. I used this method yesterday, but I only get 15FPS out of my camera so it was nowhere near accurate enough. I timed for 1 second and had somewhere in the region of 8-8.25 revs in that time. I needed to use that much time to balance out the error caused by the low frame rate, but in doing so 1 second is too much time to measure true hand revs as the ball has likely encountered some friction by then and/or the core has taken over and has helped the ball rev up somewhat.

With a better camera this is the most accurate way to measure rev rate, even better than CATS because it does not rely on calculations involving speed and ball position (which have inherent errors - as exposed by throwing a plastic hard at the 10pin during a CATS test )

Although inaccurate, I found somewhere in the region of 480-500 RPM for myself, but adjusting for the fact the core had come into affect, I would say 450 is a fair estimate. FYI I used a T-Road Pearl for the test, if somebody out there is estimating the core affect the RG is 2.57.

I know, I'm a geek... Anybody want to chime in, feel free.

Edited on 7/24/2008 6:36 AM

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Re: Do you really know your RPM number?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2008, 07:46:37 AM »
Intersting topic, and it would be good to have a benchmark, so that everyone talks about the same ting

I measured my RPM through video-taping ans some math, through the Ebonite method (also included in the FAQs). I did not have the chance to use CATS so far, but would like to know what comes out.

My first RPM measures left me with a mere 225. At that time, it was little, but realistic, because of a really poor release.
Now, some years later, I measured my RPM by the same method (to keep up consistency - if I make a mistake, it will at least be made every time ) at a maximum of around slightly more than 300 RPM, or about 14 hand revs. My normal release would - by this system of calculation - generate about 275 RPM. But: this measure is based on the head area of the lane, and just a rough measure.

These ~275 RPM are just what I think I can impart on the ball, it is effectively not what the ball does when it hits the pins. But I think it is the only "valuable" RPM number one can generate, since the lane surface, oil dressing, surface of the ball and other factors will influence what the ball does when it comes closer to the pins, and therefore I do not regard numbers that are taken at the back end for very relevant.

Anyway, if I should describe my RPM, I'd say "sufficient". I play with lower speed, and this seems to match up very well with my rev rate, creating a good ball reaction and any hook I could ask for.

Nevertheless, it is IMHO never wriong to know such "performance numbers", just like your ball speed or PAP, and RPM are a factor that I do not consider critical enough to warrant a 3-digit exactness.
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