Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2008, 02:17:27 AM
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on July 22, 2008, 10:21:23 AM
Post by: DP3 on July 22, 2008, 10:24:07 AM
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Post by: Maine Man on July 22, 2008, 10:42:29 AM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2008, 10:43:59 AM
I found out on a trip that my number was higher then I would have given myself credit for.
My 10 ball average at Kegel was 510.
Edited on 7/22/2008 10:47 AM
Post by: Myser on July 22, 2008, 11:00:55 AM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2008, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: tommygn on July 22, 2008, 11:59:43 AM
The most accurate testing should be done with a med rg, med. diff ball on a medium length pattern with a medium viscosity oil on a medium friction surface.
Since all stars and planets are not aligned for this type of testing, the most important thing in my opinion is that your revs match your ball speed.
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Post by: riggs on July 22, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
(Hey Tommy G.)
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 22, 2008, 12:11:57 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS most guys with 510 revs can at least get it to wrinkle!
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Post by: n00dlejester on July 22, 2008, 12:17:11 PM
Guesstimate: 325-350
Theory: -75
Real: 250-275
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2008, 01:55:33 PM
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
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Post by: themagician on July 22, 2008, 01:58:35 PM
I feel i'm close to where I was when I got it measured via CATS but to be on the safe side i'll say i'm lower than that now, so probably 275rpms.
I was measured at 315 for a 10 shot average around a year ago.
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Post by: tommygn on July 22, 2008, 02:02:28 PM
I will have to work on that one finger shot so I can use it against you next year!!! Hope all is well out your way.
Tommy G
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: Dan Belcher on July 22, 2008, 02:56:50 PM
Post by: Kinalyx on July 22, 2008, 04:04:43 PM
Never know
Shawn
Post by: TWOHAND834 on July 22, 2008, 04:18:56 PM
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Post by: Kid Jete on July 22, 2008, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 22, 2008, 10:31:50 PM
Having some fun!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: NJStroker on July 22, 2008, 11:14:04 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
Post by: blockhater on July 23, 2008, 05:10:54 AM
Post by: blockhater on July 23, 2008, 06:16:57 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 23, 2008, 09:16:23 AM
With those type of revs...your game should LOVE a block!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Edited on 7/23/2008 9:18 AM
Post by: blockhater on July 23, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 23, 2008, 11:43:32 AM
One wrong move and one style of bowler or the other will start yelling...TRAITOR!
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Post by: bass on July 23, 2008, 02:14:55 PM
Isn't that release hard to control or hang on to the ball?
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Post by: riggs on July 23, 2008, 04:05:02 PM
Post by: blockhater on July 24, 2008, 06:34:54 AM
Find and mark your PAP with white tape (or a contrasting colour to your ball colour) and make a line with tape from your PAP to just above your ring finger hole. Set a video camera down on the approach to get the right level for videoing the ball motion and tape yourself throwing a shot.
Play back the video using software that allows you to advance one frame per click and time how long it takes the ball to complete 1 revolution. Divide that time (in seconds) by 1 to find your revs per second, then multiply by 60 to get it into RPMs.
For this method to be successful you not only need software that can play one frame per click, you need to take video in as high a frame rate (FPS) as possible in order to not miss time. I used this method yesterday, but I only get 15FPS out of my camera so it was nowhere near accurate enough. I timed for 1 second and had somewhere in the region of 8-8.25 revs in that time. I needed to use that much time to balance out the error caused by the low frame rate, but in doing so 1 second is too much time to measure true hand revs as the ball has likely encountered some friction by then and/or the core has taken over and has helped the ball rev up somewhat.
With a better camera this is the most accurate way to measure rev rate, even better than CATS because it does not rely on calculations involving speed and ball position (which have inherent errors - as exposed by throwing a plastic hard at the 10pin during a CATS test
)Although inaccurate, I found somewhere in the region of 480-500 RPM for myself, but adjusting for the fact the core had come into affect, I would say 450 is a fair estimate. FYI I used a T-Road Pearl for the test, if somebody out there is estimating the core affect the RG is 2.57.
I know, I'm a geek... Anybody want to chime in, feel free.
Edited on 7/24/2008 6:36 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on July 24, 2008, 07:46:37 AM
I measured my RPM through video-taping ans some math, through the Ebonite method (also included in the FAQs). I did not have the chance to use CATS so far, but would like to know what comes out.
My first RPM measures left me with a mere 225. At that time, it was little, but realistic, because of a really poor release.
Now, some years later, I measured my RPM by the same method (to keep up consistency - if I make a mistake, it will at least be made every time
) at a maximum of around slightly more than 300 RPM, or about 14 hand revs. My normal release would - by this system of calculation - generate about 275 RPM. But: this measure is based on the head area of the lane, and just a rough measure.These ~275 RPM are just what I think I can impart on the ball, it is effectively not what the ball does when it hits the pins. But I think it is the only "valuable" RPM number one can generate, since the lane surface, oil dressing, surface of the ball and other factors will influence what the ball does when it comes closer to the pins, and therefore I do not regard numbers that are taken at the back end for very relevant.
Anyway, if I should describe my RPM, I'd say "sufficient". I play with lower speed, and this seems to match up very well with my rev rate, creating a good ball reaction and any hook I could ask for.
Nevertheless, it is IMHO never wriong to know such "performance numbers", just like your ball speed or PAP, and RPM are a factor that I do not consider critical enough to warrant a 3-digit exactness.
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Post by: AngloBowler on July 24, 2008, 10:00:09 AM
Not measured mine by video, but will do on Sunday I think
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Post by: blockhater on July 24, 2008, 11:51:22 AM
What is it with CATS? I've heard numbers for some players that seem very low and others that seem to be very high, I would love to know the calculations used and why the calibrations can vary so much.
AngloBowler - I guess from you saying that you know me??
Post by: AngloBowler on July 24, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
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Edited on 7/24/2008 2:03 PM
Post by: blockhater on July 24, 2008, 03:35:25 PM