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strikestriketapped

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Drilling an Attitude Shift
« on: November 28, 2007, 01:16:45 PM »
I'll be getting an Attitude Shift, and trying to decide on a layout. My stats are in my profile. The following were suggested:

4 3/4 x 5 3/8 (pin down)
4 1/2 with 45 degree MB (pin down)


I'd like midlane of course, but I don't like balls that are too early. This will be my "heavy" oil ball.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 09:46:44 PM »
You should like this ball. It is real clean though the heads and strong on the backend of the lane.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 09:57:52 PM »
I have a pin down 4 1/2 pin to pap and mb 6 1/4 to pap, i also have a pin up 4 3/4 pin to pap and mb 5 inch to pap.

Personally i like the pin up ball alot better, it clear the heads and is just plain stronger overall the whole lane. I think you would prefer the pin up if your revs and speed allow it, the pin down still has decent motion but it is easily 4-5 boards less in the backend.

You will need at least medium oil even at 2k, one of best balls made by Storm always make a good motion towards the pocket and ignores carrydown like it is not there.

I am tempted to get a 3 rd ball and polish on top of the 2k, the ball is that good.
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strikestriketapped

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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 11:15:03 PM »
But with pin up, could it really handle heavy oil? I wouldn't think it would because on heavy oil there isn't much backend and I thought you'd want more midlane. Going with pin down on a ball that is naturally long and strong, it should still have pop on the backend, right?
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Bigmike

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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 08:11:36 AM »
Pin up might keep it from reading too early which you stated you didn't want to happen. You could put the pin 5" from your PAP, but have the MB angle at 55*. This should generate some friction and strong motion at 2000abr. This would also give you the option to take the surface down more if needed for slick tournament type conditions.

I should be getting a couple of these in anytime this week and will provide some feedback if you would like to hear about my experience so far with the ball.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 08:22:13 AM »
Bigmike, what do you think of 4 1/2 x 4?
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 08:31:50 AM »
Have you seen any of the Attitude Shift videos?  Storm has 2 layouts on their vid. Judging by your sig. you've probably seen it.  Buddies vid I think has one or 2 layouts & am not sure, but I thought Avg. Joes had one.  The Drill sheet that comes w/the ball can be vague, but it's a start. You may not get your answer, but it might help a little to finding it.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 09:46:18 AM »
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Bigmike, what do you think of 4 1/2 x 4?


My only question would be to define the 4? Is this the distance for the CG from the PAP or the key? The reason I ask is the people who frequent these boards all know that CGNOMADDAH!

I am a little more in tune with the degree system and Mo's dual angle drilling techniques. 50-60* is right in between arc and flip so it is not too flippy and not to soft on the back. This layout usually cause a controllable motion with some versatility. 4 1/2 x 50-60* with the pin higher (35-45* VAL angle) should give you a good versatile ball for the slick.

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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 12:23:36 PM »
I have one drilled pin-up.  Yesterday, for whatever reason the lanes were super dry in my league and the ball was really reading too early and not finishing well at all.   Im lefty and in 3 games I left 16 7pins.  I've had lots of success w/ this ball in medium to medium-heavy oil with pin-up.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 12:50:35 PM »
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I have one drilled pin-up.  Yesterday, for whatever reason the lanes were super dry in my league and the ball was really reading too early and not finishing well at all.   Im lefty and in 3 games I left 16 7pins.  I've had lots of success w/ this ball in medium to medium-heavy oil with pin-up.
When the lanes get dry, if you're throwing ANY ball with the solid R2S coverstock on it (Attitude Shift, Special Agent, T-Road Solid)... put it up!!  You'll leave corner pins galore because the ball will burn up too early.  This is a strong coverstock that loves oil, and you're just wasting the ball's energy if you don't keep the coverstock happy by feeding it oil.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 03:02:00 PM »
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Bigmike, what do you think of 4 1/2 x 4?


My only question would be to define the 4? Is this the distance for the CG from the PAP or the key? The reason I ask is the people who frequent these boards all know that CGNOMADDAH!

I am a little more in tune with the degree system and Mo's dual angle drilling techniques. 50-60* is right in between arc and flip so it is not too flippy and not to soft on the back. This layout usually cause a controllable motion with some versatility. 4 1/2 x 50-60* with the pin higher (35-45* VAL angle) should give you a good versatile ball for the slick.

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The 4 was MB to PAP.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 03:59:30 PM »
If I wanted to with 4" pin to PAP, and 4 1/2 MB to PAP, what would I want as a pin buffer? I still don't really know what that means, so I need help. I still can't decide if I want pin down or up, I'm afraid that pin up wouldn't work for heavy oil.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 10:52:47 PM »
If your worried that pin up will get too far down the lane, remember this simple formula. Surface/Coverstock = distance, Layout/Pin position = shape of shot (arc or flip). Whatever you choose, if it is going too long then use your abralon or scotchbrite to get it to read earlier. No layout is going to make the ball read any earlier or push any furthur. If that were the case, you could take a box Jolt and lay it out pin under and expect to have it outhook the aggressive stuff. Or take a box Special Agent and lay it out pin high and expect it to go long on a 30 foot pattern.

Pin buffer is Storm's concept of height of the pin. It is very comparable to the VAL angle in MoRich's dual angle drilling technique.
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2007, 08:43:01 PM »
Ok guys, I'll be ordering the ball tonight. I'm really leaning towards a 4 x 4 layout with a 1 - 1 1/2 pin buffer (I asked a guy from Storm, he said 1- 1 1/2 would be stronger, and 3-4" would be weaker and smoother) Would this layout work? He also said to always keep the MB in a strong position, and 4" would be strong. So it's between two choices:

A. 4 1/2 x 4 with 1 - 1 1/2" pin buffer
B. 4 x 4 with 1 - 1 1/2" pin buffer
C. 4 1/2 x 5 1/2 with 1 - 1 1/2 pin buffer
D. 4 1/2 x 5 with 1 - 1 1/2 pin buffer


(All pin down. The second number is MB to PAP. Since I get more axis rotation, I shouldn't have a problem getting  "decent" length with pin down) And would a 2-3" pin and 2.5-3.0 top weight be good? Also, if my driller isn't familiar with the pin buffer thing created by Storm, what could I print out to show him so he knows what I want?)
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Re: Drilling an Attitude Shift
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
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