Author Topic: Ethical dilemma (Read 10367 times)

riggs · « **on:** February 22, 2011, 11:13:50 PM »

I am thinking it is wrong to use my new VIRTUAL GRAVITY NANOs in any competition until March 1, when they become available to the public.

You all agree?

PBA rules prohibit the use of any ball until after its release date of availability for PBA members. (They were OK for the USBC Masters.)

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TJonesJr · « **Reply #31 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:13:52 AM »

Riggs- I have had the opportunity to bowl in the same tourneys as you numerous times in the madison/milwaukee area. With that said, I would have no problem if you had a NANO and I did not. My tourney team is Brunswick sponsered and had the opportunity to drill an Alpha-max about 2 weeks early. The way I see it, your accomplishments have awarded you a ball contract and this is one of those benifits. I feel the chance to show the ball off early "stirs the pot" and generates that interest to create sales. Its not like its a year early. People will have their chance usually about 2 weeks later than a staffer

Sikfish · « **Reply #32 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:24:41 AM »

Jeff,

This is clearly going to be your decision on if you want to do it or not. Many will say "no" he has a advantage with that ball.....many will say "yes" throw it, its just another ball. I too am a staffer and fight with this very subject. I will not throw "new" stuff in anything but leagues....tournaments, I throw what everyone else has the chance to buy....I see equality at that point. The reason I do in leagues is because that is where the 50-70% of sales is generated for my area for that ball manufacturer. I too agree on the USBC OC comment about a ball released after the start date....

Brian

MOTIV Staff

www.motivbowling.com

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #33 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:39:48 AM »

Well Jeff, if it would ease your conscience any to see a non-staffer throwing the Nano, you could always send me one.

riggs · « **Reply #34 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:44:30 AM »

After digesting all of this and considering it and talking with a couple of people, I have decided that throwing them would not really be ethically wrong.

The key point that swayed my thinking was that new balls must be cleared by USBC and meet all of the existing rules before being thrown so while they may be different in some ways from some existing stuff they won't be exceeding the standards and therefore provide an unfair advantage.

The XCALIBUR, on the other hand, WAS different. And if I recall correctly balls weren't getting USBC stamps of approval before being released back then (correct me if I'm wrong.)

If I drilled something new and throw it and it does appear to be different and better in some way USBC does not regulate, I would feel differently.

Clearly, the NANO is not revolutionary in the way the XCALIBUR was.

So it will be in my bag.

Thanks to everyone for chiming in on this fascinating topic. You changed my mind and made me think in ways I did not expect.

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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #35 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:34:11 AM »

Jeff, let's start an over/under while you throw your NANO's....blower 7-10's vs 9-pins...

Our Nationals squad is headed up to Willow Creek this weekend...wonder if that would be a ball to use there...

?..

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riggs · « **Reply #36 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:39:29 AM »

230 = LOL. Based on what I saw yesterday, not sure if I will be able to use them Saturday -- old wood surface on Kegel Beaten Path. Maybe Sunday on challenge shot on HPLs in Joliet.

Willow = depends which of their conditions they put down.

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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #37 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:49:16 AM »

3-5 stronger than a VIRTUAL GRAVITY?

riggs wrote on 2/24/2011 11:39 AM:230 = LOL. Based on what I saw yesterday, not sure if I will be able to use them Saturday -- old wood surface on Kegel Beaten Path. Maybe Sunday on challenge shot on HPLs in Joliet.

Willow = depends which of their conditions they put down.

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Return with your shield or on it. Strength and honor. Help control the population of Avenging Unicorns. Arm yourselves accordingly. MTIXE

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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #38 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:50:42 AM »

Old wood & Beaten path = VICTORY ROAD/REIGN SUPREME with a white/gray pad for you, no?

Return with your shield or on it. Strength and honor. Help control the population of Avenging Unicorns. Arm yourselves accordingly. MTIXE

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chatnboy · « **Reply #39 on:** February 24, 2011, 11:01:51 AM »

i think you are making the right choice riggs...but i think you are right on asking for a variety of opinions about this "dilemma"!!!!it's refreshing to see the various responses to such a dilemmma and to see different peoples thoughts about this!!!too bad you dont live in delaware!!!

Go hard or go home!!!!!Bowl your best...ALWAYS!!!

lsf_21 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 24, 2011, 11:54:27 AM »

Its a bowling ball.... Me seeing somebody else use a ball has never made me consider buying one.

If you think its the best ball for the shot chuck it down the lane.

It would be different if your question was "I have this ball that storm gave me its not sanctioned.... Should I use it" But since the ball is already USBC approved toss it down the lane and dont look back.

john rambo · « **Reply #41 on:** February 24, 2011, 04:30:42 PM »

Your on Storm's Staff for a reason! You are Jeff Richgels!! a Hall of Fammer throw what you want when you want.

lefty50 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:09:49 PM »

Sorry,but I have to chime in after reading this... Let's see if I've got it right...

- Staffer comes in, feigns ethical dilemma when this can't possibly be the first ball he's had a chance to throw in competition ahead of release date

-Eventually decides to throw ball.

With respect, is everyone that gullible? Can you possibly, for whatever reason, be so gullible as to believe this?

Hilarious...

Signature? I dont need no stinking signature...

SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #43 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:36:48 PM »

lefty50 wrote on 2/24/2011 10:09 PM:Sorry,but I have to chime in after reading this... Let's see if I've got it right...

- Staffer comes in, feigns ethical dilemma when this can't possibly be the first ball he's had a chance to throw in competition ahead of release date

-Eventually decides to throw ball.

With respect, is everyone that gullible? Can you possibly, for whatever reason, be so gullible as to believe this?

Hilarious...

Signature? I dont need no stinking signature...

You obviously do not know who you are talking about. Jeff is a respected USBC Hall of Faner and a journalist. There was nothing fake about his thoughts. The quality of the responses give credence to the respect that people on this board have for Jeff. You seem to have missed that as well.

But being from Arizona I can understand why you might so quickly cast doubt upon someone's integrity without knowing who or what you are saying. Go back to watching the border you ignoramus.

riggs · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2011, 07:51:56 AM »

lsf 21, this is the key point:

"It would be different if your question was "I have this ball that storm gave me its not sanctioned.... Should I use it" But since the ball is already USBC approved toss it down the lane and dont look back."

So long as it's USBC approved is what's important.

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riggs · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2011, 07:57:28 AM »

Lefty, I have no idea who are and don't really care.

But for the record, I wasn't "faking" anything. I have thrown an uncountable number of balls ahead of public release time in the past, but I'd never thought of this issue before until someone asked my about Tommyfry throwing the NANO at the Masters and what the rule was since it's official release date is March 1.

Essentially, this thread was a chance for me and other to think out loud on what was a real and I feel legitimate question.

After digesting everything, I made the decision I made. I intend to right about it in my review that I post because I think it is a legitimate ethical dilemma.

If you want to criticize me for anything, make it be that I'd never considered the issue before when I should have!

lefty50 wrote on 2/24/2011 10:09 PM:
Sorry,but I have to chime in after reading this... Let's see if I've got it right...

- Staffer comes in, feigns ethical dilemma when this can't possibly be the first ball he's had a chance to throw in competition ahead of release date

-Eventually decides to throw ball.

With respect, is everyone that gullible? Can you possibly, for whatever reason, be so gullible as to believe this?

Hilarious...

Signature? I dont need no stinking signature...

The No. 1 source for bowling news, analysis and opinion is my blog, The 11th Frame, which is here:
http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/

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