I use a white pad on mine which is supposed to be around 1100, and the ball is absolutely phenominal.. Factory was a bit squirty, now it still gets through the heads clean and gives me a consistent break point....Unless you consistenly have clean backends, this is a must do for this ball.....I have 23 games on that ball with that surface and I am averaging 223 with that ball. A no brainer to knock the shine off of this ball.....