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Nicanor

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Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« on: March 02, 2010, 11:59:41 PM »
Bowled along side a guy last night who is a Storm rep and has his own pro shop.  He said the drilling of my Invasion was not a good one.  So I said, take the ball plug and re-drill and I''ll try it again.  So I tried different surfaces and now I''ll try a different drilling.  Hope plugging the first drilling doesn''t negatively effect the next drilling.


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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2010, 06:56:49 PM »
Thank you for the continued posts.

My pap is 4 1/2 and 5/8 up.  My ball speed is approx 17 to 17.5 and my rev rate I can adjust, but mostly about 300-350.

I threw the Invasion along side my 3.5.  My 3.5 was going pretty long and jumped off the break point.  The Invasion barely turned the corner.  My VG jumped off the break point also.  I played down and in, I swung the darn ball, I sanded it to 1000 tried it, then 20000 then tried it, this was the best, then I polished it and it just skidded.

I can't get close to the 10 pin with my 3.5 but I'm doing pretty well getting to the 10 pin with the Mission.  I'm not a big fan of the Mission right now, but I'm getting there.  The Mission can play straight as an arrow to the 10 and if there good head oil and a solid break point, you can play anywhere from down and in to a big swing.  Not too crazy about the drilling, but its wearing on me.

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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2010, 08:35:03 PM »
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Thank you for the continued posts.

My pap is 4 1/2 and 5/8 up.  My ball speed is approx 17 to 17.5 and my rev rate I can adjust, but mostly about 300-350.

I threw the Invasion along side my 3.5.  My 3.5 was going pretty long and jumped off the break point.  The Invasion barely turned the corner.  My VG jumped off the break point also.  I played down and in, I swung the darn ball, I sanded it to 1000 tried it, then 20000 then tried it, this was the best, then I polished it and it just skidded.

I can't get close to the 10 pin with my 3.5 but I'm doing pretty well getting to the 10 pin with the Mission.  I'm not a big fan of the Mission right now, but I'm getting there.  The Mission can play straight as an arrow to the 10 and if there good head oil and a solid break point, you can play anywhere from down and in to a big swing.  Not too crazy about the drilling, but its wearing on me.

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I was thinking maybe it was just burning up..it may be but not for the reasons I initially guessed..
Sounds like the ball is drilled to start up early and be pretty smooth .. I wouldn't think it would have alot of backend with that drill and hole placement..
have you gotten the ball back yet.. I am guessing that he will give you a 5" pin to pap with the pin up above the bridge and mb just to the right of the  thumb hole...
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 12:11:06 AM »
Mine rolls really well but man do you need oil. I am anxious for a pearl version of this ball. For those with issues try polishing by hand and not on a spinner. You get a little shine but not a high gloss like on a spinner. I used reacta shine. Give it a try! My numbers are close to yours Nicanor except my coordinates are 5 right by 1/2 up


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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 08:11:47 AM »
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Mine rolls really well but man do you need oil. I am anxious for a pearl version of this ball. For those with issues try polishing by hand and not on a spinner. You get a little shine but not a high gloss like on a spinner. I used reacta shine. Give it a try! My numbers are close to yours Nicanor except my coordinates are 5 right by 1/2 up


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I would say the same thing.. the ball is just too strong for the condition.
the drill wasn't helping much either though..
let us know how it works with the new drill
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 08:45:25 AM »
I''ll let you know as soon as I get the ball back.  It takes a long time to fill the holes in my bowling balls (well just the thumb) because my thumb is much bigger then Mark Roth''s and you have to fill it in two stages.  Then the fingers and then the balance hole.  Hope to have it back by Tuesday along with a Reign.

As Charlest mentioned my ball speed is a little fast so maybe between the drilling and my ball speed the drilling didn''t match up to my game.

On a different note:

I emailed Storm to ask them what they thought on Sunday and no answer by Tuesday afternoon, so I thought, gee the customer service isn''t great. Then as if it were magic up jumped an email from Storm.  Thats plenty fast response for me.

But, the email only asked what were my ending weights.  If static weights don''t make a difference, why did they ask.  I''m pretty sure the email was from Marv Sargent (?).  But the response time was still good.


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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 08:52:16 AM »
Barry,
I'm not sure about Marv Sargent. You might want to try to get thru to Ernest G in tech support. I'd call and ask for him. 1-800-369-4402.
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 08:59:26 AM »
Thanks Gene.  I sent the question through Storm's website and Marv was the one who answered the question.  I'll talk to the local rep today to see how he plans to drill the ball first.




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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 09:02:02 AM »
Didn't know Marv was in UTAH!!!!
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 11:13:46 AM »
Gene,

With computers today, you can still be in CA and answer emails that were sent to Utah



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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 11:28:13 AM »
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You know 345378/94823321 of an ounce could make a huge difference in hook??
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 11:58:19 AM »
One thing that I have found out with the increased Ra(peaks and valleys) of the cover is that you can smooth(flatten peaks) the ball down a little on the spinner and create more length. For instance on my virtual gravity I put the ball on the spinner and with light pressure used 4000 abralon with the track and smoothed down the cover. Gave the ball more length and more pop on the back. Really created a different look. I believed this happened because I flatten the peaks.
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2010, 01:45:25 PM »
tburky,

You bring up a very good point about Ra values, and surface adjustments. Abralon pads, IMO, wear out very quickly. It got to the point that I would have a magic marker at the spinner, and put a line on the pad before every use, so I could gauge how often I used the pad. A slightly used 2000, acts more like 4000, a 1000 with 10 uses, acts like..., it drives me nuts!! Anyway, I have found that using them by hand with water, not on the spinner, seems to help them hold up longer, and be a little more consistent. Also, I have been going back to the taxi cabs (again by hand)as of late, and am able to get a little more texture on the ball. I have found that my Invasion has "broken in" using 1200 taxi cab, with a little bit of bite in the late mid lane, and good finish down lane.
One other note for you, I have always used more surface on a ball than I thought necessary, and use it for a few games, so that it gets a little lane shine on it. That way, I have a more consistent reaction for a longer period of time. I have been doing this for years, and just have been validated by the USBC's Ra and surface studies on longevity of cover texture retention. If you don't have the patience to put the games in, use surface, with a coat of polish over top of it. This will somewhat simulate the lane shine effect, although you will not get the smoothing of the peaks and valleys of the cover as you would rolling the ball down the lane.
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2010, 04:45:50 PM »
Here is something that Chris Schlemer told me. Using abralon by hand puts more texture on the surface of a ball versus sanding on the spinner across the ball track.
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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2010, 09:04:21 AM »
The Invasion had the pin in the ring finger and mb at 4 inches as outlined in one of the drilling recommendations.  It said it was for a good mid lane read and a strong back end reaction.  But controlled.

The driller is going to drill the ball Monday with a drilling of 4 X 4 with a 2 inch buffer.

Is that going to help?

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Re: Gave up on the Invasion layout recommended
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2010, 09:11:35 AM »
See riggs response.  http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=255245&ForumID=13&CategoryID=2

Doubt you are seeing enough oil to drill a 4" pin to PAP unless you are a lefty with beaucoup head oil blended across lane.  JMO.  Seen this in the past with high differential Visionary equipment where folks drilled their normal layouts and they were much much too strong.
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