win a ball from Bowling.com
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?  (Read 2245 times)

Myrrodin

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 89
Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« on: December 21, 2006, 08:05:04 AM »
Hey, I'm getting a new ball next Thursday after I talk to my coach.  I was looking for a ball that is on the stronger side, but I've been having a lot of trouble lately on shots that were towards the wet/dry side, and I tend to lose my shot too quickly with my current equipment once there gets a little too much carrydown.  So, I was looking for a ball that would help me out on this conditions.

Basically, I'm looking for a controlled but strong move to the pocket.  So far I'm looking at:

-Spit Fire
-Agent
-Special Agent
-Paradigm

What do you guys think?  Do you have any suggestions? (check my profile for stats) Thanks!

Edited on 12/21/2006 5:53 PM
Logged

 

pnj1967

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3633
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 06:31:58 PM »
Look at the Double Agent.
--------------------
Enjoy the people on the ballreview.com forum. Like to help when I can.
Logged






kmanestor22

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 969
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 07:29:54 PM »
I would go particle pearl for wet/dry.  The Pyro is a good fit even though it's a little old now.
--------------------
Where is the bait?  I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer
Logged

Myser

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 233
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 10:01:43 PM »
i would go for a pyro or Thunderstruck solid (600-1000 grit)
--------------------
Born a Lefty... Forced to become right handed...
Logged

leftehh- LG

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1079
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 10:06:59 PM »
special agent, rolls heavy but smooth and continoues.
--------------------
Bowl to Win!
Logged

VAbowler

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 466
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 10:08:53 PM »
Awesome Revs?
Logged

Slopsurprise

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2100
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 10:12:39 PM »
quote:
Awesome Revs?


Works very well on the conditions in this thread.

BTW, do not get a Pyro for this condition, I had one and on a Wet/dry I could not control it.
Logged

Myrrodin

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 89
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2006, 11:25:36 AM »
I have trouble using dull particle balls with my slow speed.  As soon as the ball finds a dry spot, it makes its move.  So, when I throw particle, unless there is plenty of oil, my style tends to cause the ball to burn up too quickly.  So, I'd like to shy away from that.  That being said, I haven't tried a pearl particle, so I will definitely look into the Pyro.  

P.S.  I love how I only posted in Storm and yet I get MoRich suggestions...
Logged

Myrrodin

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 89
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2006, 12:10:12 PM »
Actually, there is a new Storm X Factor Ace in one of my pro shops around here.  You think that would be a good option?  The only reason I might shy away from getting that is because its not from the Pro Shop where my coach is, so he probably won't want me to get it because he won't be drilling it. (I don't think I'm going to pay him an extra $40 to drill it when I could get it done for free)
Logged

Hamburglar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 804
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2006, 02:59:05 PM »
quote:
If you want to know how the ACE reacts.  That is what Norm was throwing to win the Columbia 300 Tourney last Sunday.  


You sure about that???  Could have sworn it was a sanded Spit Fire.  Last year, on the other hand, he used the ACE quite a bit on TV...
--------------------
That which doesn't kill you will only make you stronger, that which doesn't make you stronger is a waste of time!
Logged

mrbowlingnut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5727
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2006, 05:02:39 PM »
He used a Spit Fire but uses the Ace all the time, he used a thuderstruck pearl for 10 pins. Talk about control wow, i think the ace or double agent would be good wet/dry choices, i have every one of these balls the special agent is really jumpy.
Logged

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2006, 05:17:36 PM »
Myrrodin,

Since you never defined what ball you were using when you find carrydown that gave you trouble, I am more than slightly surprised at any possible recommendations, other than the most vague, general ones.

Fighting carrydown is strictly relative to ball which cannot overcome it. The next ball is you use is the next notch stronger. ALWAYS. If you're using a Paradigm (the original), you need the Trifecta or a Passion. If you're using a Jolt Pearl, you need a Jolt Solid or a Thunderstruck pearl. Get the idea?

If you're using a Tropical, you need a Hot Rod Hybrid or Jolt Pearl.

--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Logged
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Hamburglar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 804
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2006, 07:16:16 PM »
quote:

Fighting carrydown is strictly relative to ball which cannot overcome it. The next ball is you use is the next notch stronger. ALWAYS. If you're using a Paradigm (the original), you need the Trifecta or a Passion. If you're using a Jolt Pearl, you need a Jolt Solid or a Thunderstruck pearl. Get the idea?


Yep, that's what worked for me in our Sport League (43', med/heavy oil, synthetic lanes) the other night.  Was using a Vertigo with pretty good success then along comes the dreaded "carrydown"...ball was sliding through the break point, never making it back to the pocket, wash out city.  I "stepped up" to my Trifecta and it was more money on the carrydown than the Vertigo was before the carrydown.
--------------------
That which doesn't kill you will only make you stronger, that which doesn't make you stronger is a waste of time!
Logged

Myrrodin

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 89
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2006, 04:23:15 PM »
Charlest:  I was just looking for genralizations, sorry.  The reason I couldn't just kick it up to a better ball is because of what I'm using, so I guess that is important.  All right, right now I use an X Factor (original) and an X Factor Deuce (I don't know my exact PAP location so I don't know the exact drillings).  The X Factor is drilled pin under the ring with both the Pin and RAD (which is kicked out near the PAL area) about 4 1/2" away (again, not sure if this is exact, but it's pretty close).  I was leaving too many 10 and 4 pins with this ball, so my coach and I made the decision to give it some extra polish, which really made it carry better, but its a lot more sensitive to oil now.  The Deuce is drilled pin outside ring (2 o'clock) about 4 inches from the PAP and the MB is kicked out halfway in between the thumb and PAL area 5" from the PAP (ditto on exactness) box finish.  The problem is, the X Factor is inconsistent on the backend when there is carrydown, and the Deuce tends to burn up in the front of the lane.  I can't just grab a ball with the correct surface because I can't get that same core anymore.  I checked out the Ace in the shop yesterday and unfortunately it is a lightweight ball, so I'm not going to get it.
Logged

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Good Ball for Carrydown/Wet Dry?
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2006, 06:47:39 PM »
Myrrodin,

From what you've said, I would take an educated guess and say that either an Ace or a Pyro should fit between the X-Factor and the Deuce. I mean it's an old truism: you have a polished lengthy pearl and a dull early solid. What's more appropriate than a particle pearl - nothing! The Ace is discontinued; so getting one can be problematical. ALso it has the potential to be slightly stronger than the Pyro due to its asymmetric core. The Pyro is the more practical ball; cheaper, easier to drill and to modify with speed and hand changes.

A particle pearl has the capability to handle the carrydown that a polished pearl will not. So the Pyro is or can be the logical step up, in my mind, from the X-factor. If it were me, I'm pretty sure that's what I do. (In fact, just before I went back to 16 lb balls this past July, I bought a brand new 15 lb Pyro that's now sitting in my basement. Suppose I should sell it ...)

Good luck.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Logged
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Pages: [1] 2
« previous next »