rollingthunder. if you can upload a video and compare it to another ball that you have in the video. tell the surface finish and the polish added to it. i will be able to closely guesstimate your pap, tilt, rev rate, speed, and rotation, so dont worry about that.. i want to visualize what you are talking about. my rev rate is over 400 and my ball speed is 19.5-20.5 and the motion you are talking about is something i personally love and need on specific patterns by kegel and usbc.