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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 07:04:06 AM

Title: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 07:04:06 AM
How should you drill this ball to more even arcing for tournament shots, you know not over under, something that isnt going to over read the pattern.

My stats are
Axis 5 9/16 x 1/2 up
rev rate 250-275 (guestimate)
15-17 mph
45 Degree ball roll

Bowling on pba shots on both synthetic and wood.

http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture064so9.jpg
Thats what storm suggested.... 5 x 6 with 4" pin buffer.
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Edited on 12/4/2008 4:59 PM
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: strikealot on December 02, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
drilled mine with pin up 4.5 inches from pap...it was really snappy oob, more than i wanted so i took it to 1000 abralon with light coat of factory finish and now its smooth like i wanted...great ball by the way...if you want smooth i would drill it pin down about 5 from pap with cg about 1.5 inchs from gripline...
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Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 03:48:32 PM
I laid it out 5 1/2 x 3 that puts the pin directly under bridge. Have not checked side weight before drilling yet tho.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 02, 2008, 04:01:07 PM
I drilled mine with the pin under the ring, with the cg kicked left, with a tiny weight hole diagonally across from the cg.  I wish I could give measurements and things, but I'm not sure what my PAP is.

I've only thrown it a couple games, but from what I have seen so far, I am going to take it down to 2000 or 4000 grit.  Smooth it out even more.
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Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 04:09:32 PM
For PBA patterns and preventing over/under I feel like surface is much more important than layouts for me. Although I tend to lean more towards stronger layouts such as 3-4 in pins from PAP so they pickup a little sooner and don't jump off the end of the pattern.

I'd suggest going 4 1/2 as opposed to 5 1/2 with your pin placement, and hit it with 2000 and that should smooth your reaction a ton.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 04:15:56 PM
I have a higher track so my stuff tends to read earlier then most. This is why i slected a longer pin to pap distance, i will most likely put a X hole down on my val. This combo works well for me
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Then you shouldn't come on here and ask...with your higher track and lower rev rate your ball skids through the entire pattern. The whole approach to the PBA patterns should be to get your ball to read as early as possible and have it almost stop at the end of the pattern. This is next to impossible with a 5 inch pin especially on a Hy-Road! What you'll have is another great LEAGUE ball.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 04:36:28 PM
See this is what amazes me lol, i come on here to get others ideas not to be told that I shouldnt post here... I have a question for you then, since I dont know what im talking about, I have a specail agent drilled 6 x 4 with a x hole just before my axis. I use this ball on the cheatah and the chameleon, playing down the boards. Why does this ball work so well. I wanted my hy-road to be just a little more angluar then then SA. What would you do then.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: strikealot on December 02, 2008, 04:47:31 PM
the hyroad is angular, even though its a particle pearl...almost reacts like my cell pearls, just longer...it will naturally be more angular than special agent...put pin down and take some polish off and you will be ok...oob it will skid flip...
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Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
I'm not bowling where you are bowling, but my guess is there is waaaaaaayy too much friction if you are successful with 6" pins and your lower rev rate. The fact your SPECIAL AGENT strikes at all on cheetah would tell me your Special Agent is drilled too weak for your game. If your goal is to make strong balls weak so you can use them on the mega friction you're bowling on then you're doing just fine. Don't change a thing.

I got the impression you wanted to drill a ball for patterns outside of that house and for use in tournaments. If this is correct you need to avoid 5-6 inch pins!

Again Good Luck to you.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 04:51:17 PM
hy-road is Pearl/solid mix. Correct me if im wrong....
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 04:53:04 PM
You're correct
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: strikealot on December 02, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
quote:
I'm not bowling where you are bowling, but my guess is there is waaaaaaayy too much friction if you are successful with 6" pins and your lower rev rate. The fact your SPECIAL AGENT strikes at all on cheetah would tell me your Special Agent is drilled too weak for your game. If your goal is to make strong balls weak so you can use them on the mega friction you're bowling on then you're doing just fine. Don't change a thing.

I got the impression you wanted to drill a ball for patterns outside of that house and for use in tournaments. If this is correct you need to avoid 5-6 inch pins!

Again Good Luck to you.


i understand what you are saying, and not hijacking but if i get pin closer than 4 to pap then i struggle with my high track as well, i use longer 4.5+ pins on almost everything and have success..in regionals and other sport patterns,,my goal is to not have the ball die into the pocket, and pba players use strong balls with weak layouts all the time...i use surface adjustments depending on pattern...my ball naturally picks up early to..i fight the heads all the time so i dont want to add to the prob with stronger layouts unless condition calls for it...everyones game is different, what works for one person may not work for others...that being said spit fire with your lower rev rate a stonger drill will prob benefit you with hyroad...
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Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 02, 2008, 05:10:38 PM
I'm just trying to see what every one else thinks thats all. Im not trying to cuase fights and such lol. Just looking the best possible drilling for what im looking for. I use my specail agent second shift house shot leauge and have a good look with it. Dril gets me to the break point while the cover sorta rolls of the spot instead of flips off it, shot 788 last week. But like i said there are times when this ball does not work and i need something to actually pick up sooner then it does. So drilling a hy-road just a little bit stronger i thaught would do it, like i said correct me if im wrong, you will save me a plug and re drill. Maybe my rev rate is higher then then ...
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 05:11:58 PM
Strikealot,

You are correct, most of the pros use strong balls with weak layouts but they throw it just a little different than most of the guys on here seeking advice. Would you agree? Are your golf club specs gonna match Tiger's? NO!

What I notice when I watch people struggle in regionals or PBA exp. leagues, is their struggles are definitely related to them not being able to find a defined friction area on the lane. (Their ball not hooking) They migrate to the middle of the lane where the pattern is flat and a lot more hook but still throw it too direct thus resulting in early hook. It's not the ball or layout, it's playing the wrong part of the lane.


Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 02, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
If you're looking for sooner, you got the wrong ball. With that being said, a stronger layout and more surface might get you close to what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: dw23 on December 02, 2008, 05:32:16 PM
quote:
I have a higher track so my stuff tends to read earlier then most. This is why i selected a longer pin to pap distance, i will most likely put a X hole down on my val. This combo works well for me


I have a high track as well and my equipment reads every pattern early. I tend to keep pins between 4 and 5 1/2 inches from PAP and use covers and MB/CG placement to define length and shape on sport patterns.
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Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Activator on December 03, 2008, 10:21:11 PM
hey iget9alot what about for a lefty
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 03, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
LOL!

No hope for you guys...just keep dumping it up 5, and wait for the big wall!

See ya this week in Reno right? I hope the lefty crowbar patterns aren't out there like they normally are!

Take care and have a safe trip!

Edited on 12/3/2008 11:29 PM
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 04, 2008, 03:59:27 PM
updated with pic and new layout.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 04, 2008, 04:03:38 PM
You should like that a lot! Dont be afraid to use a little surface to get it rollin sooner and tame the backend!

Hope you like it!
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 04, 2008, 04:04:59 PM
Well see, they also said make sure you drill the thumb deep... What do you guys think ???
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Z Jellsey on December 04, 2008, 04:08:41 PM
I wouldn't, unless you have a top weight over 3 1/2ish. Thumb weight would only help with what you want that ball to do. Just make sure it's legal.
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Spit_Fire on December 04, 2008, 04:14:11 PM
top is 2.74
Title: Re: Hy-road
Post by: Activator on December 04, 2008, 09:30:11 PM
quote:
LOL!

No hope for you guys...just keep dumping it up 5, and wait for the big wall!

See ya this week in Reno right? I hope the lefty crowbar patterns aren't out there like they normally are!

Take care and have a safe trip!
lol...so true gotta take the good with the bad i guess...definitely be in reno 30 games in 3 days...sounds like fun...i guess. anyways c u next week..
Edited on 12/3/2008 11:29 PM