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nixusr

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Invasion Layout Help
« on: March 03, 2010, 02:44:46 PM »
Hello, I just recently purchased the Storm Invasion ball online. I decided to take some time to research the best layout for my style of play. I will of course consult with my driller but just wanted a second opinion.

My style of play is down and in. I am a low-med rev stroker and play straight up boards 5-10. I generally like a very strong backend reaction. My speed is about 15-16mph. My PAP is 4 3/4 x 1/4.

Looking at the lightning strike drilling guide I was interested in possibly using the 4x4x2 or 4x4x1 layout. I am looking for something I get straight down and then have a strong reaction on the backend. The pin on the ball is 2.5-3 inches.

Any advise you could give would be awesome.

Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2010, 11:32:54 PM »
You may want to consider a 5x4x3 layout for a clean look through the fronts and a nice backend motion or the 4x4x1 would be fine for your style of bowling. The 4x4x2 layout would be good for playing deep inside, but probably may not be what your looking for to play down and in add in the fact that this would probably cause the ball to burn up faster then the other drillings as this is for the highest flaring of the conventional drillings. Run those by your driller and see what he thinks.
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nixusr

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 07:56:21 AM »
Tizzle - Thank you for the good suggestions. I think I may go with either the 4x4x1 or the 4x4x2. I think the 4x2 layout would be good for me when playing deep on some of the tournament shots in my area. I'm going to start this ball out on the 1st - 2nd league games and see what it does. If I like it then I will grab another one and drill it for tourney shots where I cant play the outsides.

I'm going to run your suggested layouts by the driller and see what he says. I have a Dimension that has a strong drill on it. Pin next to the ring finger and it does not seem to work well for me on fresh shots so I may plug and re-drill that as well.

Thanks again. I will keep this posted updated once I make a choice.

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 05:14:31 PM »
Mine is 4x4x2 and I hate it. It burns up and dose not finish stay away from this layout.

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 06:13:21 PM »
That's because 4x4x2 is WAY too strong for a ball as nuclear as the INVASION for MOST bowlers.  

In my experience, most bowlers drill today's strongest bowling balls FAR TOO AGGRESSIVELY. This leads to their balls burning up before they even get to the breakpoint in many cases! Then they say thing like "This ball stinks" and "This ball doesn't hook at all."  No, it is done hooking at the arrows.

Nixusr, without seeing you bowl and knowing what kind of lane conditions you bowl on I couldn't give you any solid advice but I would caution you to be very careful drilling the INVASION too strong. Find yourself a GOOD pro shop guy who knows your game and tell him what you want and hopefully he can help you.

Paying for what someone like that can give you is worth every penny.

The INVASION is an incredible ball but it's like a sports car -- it's got to be handled properly and carefully.
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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 09:19:17 AM »
nixusr,

From what I read, your game is very much like mine. My pap is exactly like yours and my speed is around 17 with a rev rate of 270 ish. I had my Invasion drilled 4x3 3/4 with the pin at 2.5 inches above my midline. The pin is just touching the bottom of my ring finger and the mb is about 2.5 inches right of my thumb as the pin,cg,mb are in a straight line to the right of my thumb.

This drilling needs oil, the ball doesn't snap at the backend. Its more of a controlled drilling. I bought this ball for the Nationals in Reno and look forward to using it there.

When I have used this ball on my house shot it leaves a lot of tens. But when I get the ball to roll longer in the oil, it hits very well. I look forward to finding a house with more head and overall oil to try this ball out before May at Reno.

Hope this helps some.......

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nixusr

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 10:47:38 AM »
Thanks a million you guys for the solid insight! I just started bowling January 09 and since then have been hooked on bowling. I've been researching and really learning the game and ball dynamics of which is still puzzling. (I always thought a ball was just a ball.)

The pro shop that I go to is great except the driller who is awesome is a seriously busy man. It is a great help when the driller can see how you throw the ball but I realize this may not be possible for a while. Thank goodness for the internet! I'm going to be taking lessons in April from a certified coach so I can work on my form so then I will have him also review my equipment.

Riggs & Shipper- you make great points. I have a dimension that is drilled strong and I have watched it not perform up to par on fresh patterns at all. I will have it plugged and redrilled in the near future. Seeing that I didnt want to make the same mistake with the invasion.

I do typically like for the ball to snap so I am not sure if I will like the 4x3. If 4x2 is too strong...would going with a 4x1 be tollerable?

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 11:27:48 AM »
I think what they are trying to suggest is to actually increase the pin to PAP distance... Maybe 5" or so.  I had a Virtual Gravity that was drilled 4 x 4 with a two inch pin buffer and it rolled well, but it was wayyyy too condition specific.  For me the ball needed a ton of head oil, but clean back ends to get the desired reaction out of it.  Don't get me wrong, some of my best games and series have come with this ball, but when it comes down to league night 9/10 I go with something else in my bag (usually the Hy-Road or the Freeze).  I've considered redrilling this ball considerably weaker, and seeing if that makes it come to life on my league shot, but all in all, I'm not sure if I wanna shell out the extra $50.
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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 05:42:19 PM »
Rival has it nailed -- my favorite VIRTUAL GRAVITY was my first one with the pin above and LEFT of my middle finger -- nearly 6 inches from PAP. CG kicked back to grip center. No hole. Very versatile ball that has won me a ton of money.
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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 08:39:01 PM »
Is the 4x4x2 the put the pin about 3 oclock?  I don't remember what the chart said.  That is where mine is drilled and the damn thing hardly moves.

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2010, 11:32:15 AM »
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Is the 4x4x2 the put the pin about 3 oclock?  I don't remember what the chart said.  That is where mine is drilled and the damn thing hardly moves.


The 4x4x2 layout places the pin above and to the right of the ring finger according to the Storm Lighting Strike guide. You have yours directly to the right of the ring finger?

I had a twisted fury with the pin next to the ring finger in the strong position and did not care much for it but then again I do factory in operator issues too.

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 08:21:59 PM »
Despite some warnings about going with 4x4x2 my driller suggested we try going with 4x4x2.5...now I just have to go roll this thing and see what happens. There are a few houses in my area that will have a good amount of oil so I hope this ball will work well for league night and the tourneys.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/nixusr/Bowling%20Ball%20Arsenal/bowlingball-arsenal-Invasion.jpg

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 09:43:50 PM »
45*4*40, your ball's gunna have a pretty early roll, with a strong Arc in the back end, and a large amount of flare with that pin to pap.
Let us know how you like it.
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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 12:46:36 AM »
Speaking of that drill, (up above)  I just did one with about a 3.5-4 pin to pap with the same angles and that ball has the smoothest, arcing reaction that ive seen in a long time. The good thing is that if im soft at the bottom with it,  it just keeps goin at the pin deck.  It is very easy to read and still somewhat aggressive.

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Re: Invasion Layout Help
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 04:46:40 AM »
quote:
Despite some warnings about going with 4x4x2 my driller suggested we try going with 4x4x2.5...now I just have to go roll this thing and see what happens. There are a few houses in my area that will have a good amount of oil so I hope this ball will work well for league night and the tourneys.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/nixusr/Bowling%20Ball%20Arsenal/bowlingball-arsenal-Invasion.jpg


Just be careful with driller recommendations. I have found that many drillers are afraid to drill any ball weaker than maximum hook potential for fear of complaints. Hopefully your driller at least took some input from you as to your style and perhaps even watched you bowl.
Hope your ball works well for you.