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rackattack

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Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« on: June 16, 2008, 10:46:18 PM »
To those of you that have owned or used both how close are these two beyond sharing covers? I need to replace a XXXTreme. Is this a good choice? Any other suggestions in available Storm balls?
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 08:41:38 AM »
I would not recommend drilling a Jolt solid to replace a triple extreme. They may share the same tires (cover), but they have completely different engines (cores). It would be like putting the same tires on a 4 cylinder Chevette and an 8 cylinder Corvette, and expecting the two cars to perform the same.

A better replacement for the triple would be an Attitude Shift. They are designed with the same theory of motion in mind. A ball for more oil, with a dull solid cover, that will make a strong move off the dry in the back part of the lane.
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 09:50:37 AM »
I agree with tommy.  I have owned a XXTreme in the past and the Attitude Shift is clearly the closest out there.  It will be stronger than the XXX - but the intended use and ball motion are similar.

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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 10:52:14 AM »
Thanks guys.
The ball you mentioned IS stronger. In fact too strong. It is the cover I'm interested in.I was hoping the Jolt core would be similar in roll. I can pick one up pretty cheap so I may just punch one up anyway. The Attitude is fine for the longer sport and PBA patterns but accu-tread is my go-to for Chameleon and similar patterns and the XXXTreme is money on the tougher house shots I see.
Tommy,
How much weaker is that Chevette? I'm waiting for the Dimension to fill the Corvette spot.
Here's what I have in Storm
Attitude Shift
Gravity Shift
Secret Agent
Special Agent
Hot Rod Hibrid
T Road Solid
Trauma ER
XXXTreme
Dark Thunder
Dark Thunder Pearl
Thunder Flash Pro
It may be like they say "You can only replace the ball with the same ball to duplicate the roll."
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 10:59:22 AM »
If it is the cover you are focused on get a Jolt Solid and sand it to 500 or 1000.  I would never recommend replacing an low RG, asymmetric solid reactive with a med.-high RG, symmetric solid particle.  At least with a Jolt Solid you are getting apples to apples with the cover.

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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 01:24:59 PM »
The Dimension is very strong. It really is as advertised!!! It rolls through the front like the Special Agent, but reads the mid lane a little stronger, and still has a ton of continuation. I have been on Storm staff for a couple of years now, and used all Storm for a few years before that, so I have not thrown other companies bowling balls for awhile, but I can say from drilling thousands of bowling balls over the past six years, that this ball has the perfect match of midlane, and backend recovery.
There are alot of bowling balls that are strong in the midlane. And there alot of balls that are strong in the backend. But the Dimension really does both. I drilled mine over label, pin under ring finger, on a shorter pin ball, no balance hole (a very mild layout), and was still able to leave six pins, and eight pins, as well as a fast eight playing fifth arrow on the Scorpion pattern. This ball is designed to give you continuation once moving inside on fresher oil, where the Special Agent struggled to get sevens and tens out.

As far as the Attitude Shift goes, It is a stronger piece than the Extreme. You would have to compare the Attitude today, to the Extreme, a few years ago, when it first came out. After looking at your arsenal, a Rapid fire just might do the trick for you. I would use a strong drilling (6 3/4" from pin through CG mark) halfway between your VAL and initial track ring, with pin somewhere to the left or slightly above your ring finger. this will give you skid from the pin placement, and flip from the drilling (strong).

But as I always say, talk with your local certified pro shop operator who knows your game, as it is hard to give layout advise without seeing you bowl, or knowing your game.


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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 01:31:45 PM »
Hey Tommy,  did you find your Dimension to be smooth off the spot or wicked nasty off the spot?  I'm interested in getting a Dimension, pin down
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 02:16:52 PM »
The Dimension is strong off the spot, but not uncontrollable. The strength of the Continuum core helps the ball save energy, while the R2X solid cover gives the smoother transition you need in the midlane for higher volumes of oil.

To be completely honest, when I first went to the Cell demo day, I was somewhat sceptical about a bowling ball that has continuation through the pins. I am from the old school mentality, that says you want the ball to roll out about six inches to a foot before the pocket for optimum carry. After seeing the Cell, and drilling it for customers, and now the Dimension, which utilizes a similar theory of continuation through the pocket, I can honestly see where bowlers can use pieces like these. I have found that most of the time, bowling balls that do not quit through the pocket, don't carry very well. Pins generally fly up and over, or just do odd things that cannot be seen but only through slow replay of video. But with the Dimension, the pins stay lower to the deck, allowing for very nice pin carry.

I guess this was my long-winded version of saying the Dimension is somewhere in between smooth, and "wicked nasty".
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2008, 02:20:27 PM »
Very good thread with some well thought out observations.  Kind of answered some questions I had about this ball before I even had a chance to ask.

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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2008, 02:21:05 PM »
Thanks Tommy.
Rapid Fire is worth a try.
I left a few off. I also have a Vertigo,Too Hot, and Fired Up.
I do my own drilling and layouts so I'm all set there.
It's the accu-tread cover and the XXXTreme reaction I'm after.
I'm gonna take green's advice and take a Jolt solid down to 500 matte.
Of course if anyone has a NIB XXXTreme around I know a guy that would love to have it.14# or 15#.

Still looking for a ball to ball comparision though.
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 02:21:40 PM »
Haha, I like that response.  I thought that much continuation was scary until I got a Pyro that just obliterates the pocket (when it hits).  I think I want to try the Dimension out really badly, lol.
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 02:49:14 PM »
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Thanks Tommy.
Rapid Fire is worth a try.
I left a few off. I also have a Vertigo,Too Hot, and Fired Up.
I do my own drilling and layouts so I'm all set there.
It's the accu-tread cover and the XXXTreme reaction I'm after.
I'm gonna take green's advice and take a Jolt solid down to 500 matte.
Of course if anyone has a NIB XXXTreme around I know a guy that would love to have it.14# or 15#.
i have a XXXtreme that someone gave me and i got it punched up.....i absolutely love this ball!!!it is the truth!!!it hardly had any games on it too!!!so i know why you would want another one!!!
Still looking for a ball to ball comparision though.
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 02:55:59 PM »
You are going to dust a Jolt to 500 or 1000? (shaking my head side to side)

That is totally not like throwing a Triple Xtreme! The only thing similar is that they  both wear ACCU-Tread. Yesterday ACCU-Tread was the bomb, today it's best on less oil. I lived and died with ACCU-Tread myself at one time, Storm has plenty of proven pieces wrapped in it. Now you are going to blow the cover up on a Jolt and it's going to fight the fronts and then not be inclined to make a move down the lane. I don't know about anyone else, I sure don't remember my Triple Xtreme being tough to get down the lane.

Tommy nailed it, the Attitude is "today's" Triple Xtreme and tomorrow it will be something bigger and better.
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 03:25:02 PM »
Mr Straight
What I'm looking for is a ball that reacts like my xxxTreme does NOW with TODAY'S lane conditions.With the current hook in the box equipment I have to take revs off to let the ball work.
The Xtreme was too much ball for me in it's day but is perfect for me today.
I can rev the ball and not get over reaction.I have plenty of equipment I just listed the Storm stuff for comparison.
I do not bowl THS. I bowl PBA patterns and sport conditions which has a lot more oil.
If you feel 500 matte is wrong what do you use your Jolt at?
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Re: Jolt Solid to replace XXXTreme ?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2008, 03:36:08 PM »
I would suggest the new Street Rod solid.  It may not have the exact coverstock you're looking for, but it is a darn good piece and I think it's stronger than most would think.

I picked up a Street Rod solid at a Storm/Roto-Grip products show and thought it was a Cell (the coloring is very similar).  When I threw it the ball had a stronger move to the pocket than my Terminator.  Was I surprised when the rep told me it was the Street Rod....especially considering the Street Rod had a very tame drill which allowed both righties and lefties to throw it (pin and cg both centered).
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