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bigdog78634

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Recommended Grit For VG
« on: September 22, 2009, 11:29:57 AM »
My daughter is a junior bowler and she just got a 15lb VG.  I know that OOB finish is 4000 Abralon. She throws with lower rev rates and throws it approximately 12.5mph.  I would like to know what I should take this down to for her to get max hook from this ball. I was wondering if 2000 will be enough. Any thoughts?
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 07:47:49 PM »
Try it as it is first. It is not really 4000, but 360/500 with a final sand of 4000. There is more info on this on the Roto Grip website, if you have any questions about it.

If after she uses it, and still wants earlier/more hook, start at 2k.
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 08:24:11 PM »
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My daughter is a junior bowler and she just got a 15lb VG.  I know that OOB finish is 4000 Abralon. She throws with lower rev rates and throws it approximately 12.5mph.  I would like to know what I should take this down to for her to get max hook from this ball. I was wondering if 2000 will be enough. Any thoughts?


As already stated above, this ball has not a 4000 Abralon surface but a 500/4000 combo. The 500/4000 surface is more aggressive than a simple 4000 surface.

I worry about her slow ball speed. I wonder if it the ball isn't burning up in the midlanes because of its surface and her slow ball speed. I think she'd need to see a good deal of oil to get it to work properly.

Do you know if her ball is rolling out or leaving weak 10 (righty)/7 (lefty) pins? If so, mabe she needs a true 4000 grit Abralon surface or even polish??
I can't tell from what you have said so far.
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 08:28:21 PM »
It takes to polish on the 4000 real well. I use Beans and it is a house shot monster. Better than me.

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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 09:32:15 PM »
^^^^^^
What he said.

I polished my oob VG with Bean's Secret Sauce and I love it!  I don't really bowl on floods/heavy conditions, but with the polish, it's more usable for me.  Looks really nice too!!!
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 09:50:20 PM »
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My daughter is a junior bowler and she just got a 15lb VG.  I know that OOB finish is 4000 Abralon. She throws with lower rev rates and throws it approximately 12.5mph.  I would like to know what I should take this down to for her to get max hook from this ball. I was wondering if 2000 will be enough. Any thoughts?



I wouldn't.  Actually you might need to polish it if you want to see a harder backend hook.  With her ball speed, the ball just might be burning up and rolling out. Assuming she has thrown the ball in the oob finish.  If she hasn't yet use the ball, why would you change the cover before getting a read on the oob finish.  Most bowlers I see using that ball get along great with the oob 4000 finish.  Crankers will usually polish it.
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 10:34:13 PM »
While I agree that you should try it oob first, I don't agree that most bowlers do fine with oob on this ball on a ths. Most bowlers in our house have polished or struggle with this ball.
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 06:46:46 AM »
So I guess I did forget to put that she has already thrown the ball.....my bad. Yes she is seeing weak 10's. She used to cork screw with her hand to get a few more revs and it worked great for her, but she has now joined the HS club here in AZ and she has been told they do not want her to cork screw the ball. It was already time to get her a new ball and the VG was readily available. The ball rolls real smooth for her, but it is either rolling out and heading straight for the 3 or its hitting a light pocket and leaving the 10. We have a new oiler here in town and the amount of oil being put down is finally nice. So is everyone on board with me polishing the ball to make it hook more first instead of dropping the surface to 2000 or 1000?
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 06:59:14 AM »
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I worry about her slow ball speed. I wonder if it the ball isn't burning up in the midlanes because of its surface and her slow ball speed. I think she'd need to see a good deal of oil to get it to work properly.



I second that. i think with that low of ball speed she would better be suited throwing 14 lbs
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 10:18:24 AM »
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So I guess I did forget to put that she has already thrown the ball.....my bad. Yes she is seeing weak 10's. She used to cork screw with her hand to get a few more revs and it worked great for her, but she has now joined the HS club here in AZ and she has been told they do not want her to cork screw the ball. It was already time to get her a new ball and the VG was readily available. The ball rolls real smooth for her, but it is either rolling out and heading straight for the 3 or its hitting a light pocket and leaving the 10. We have a new oiler here in town and the amount of oil being put down is finally nice. So is everyone on board with me polishing the ball to make it hook more first instead of dropping the surface to 2000 or 1000?


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Again, I would strongly recommend trying straight 4000 grit Abralon surface before trying any polish. Sand it with a 1000 grit Abralon pad, then a 2000 grit Abralon pad, then a 4000 grit pad to get it to a true 4000 grit Abralon surface.

If that still leaves weak 10 pins, then try a 2000 grit Abralon surface followed by a mild, light polish.

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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 10:43:31 AM »
I think you should listen to Charlest myself.  Guy has been on here a long time and knows what he is talking about.  As a shop operator, I can confirm that the VG IS NOT a true 4000 grit abralon.  Trust Charlest here.  If you take the ball and use a 2000 abralon, it WILL NOT be a true 2000.
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Re: Recommended Grit For VG
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 02:28:05 PM »
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So I guess I did forget to put that she has already thrown the ball.....my bad. Yes she is seeing weak 10's. She used to cork screw with her hand to get a few more revs and it worked great for her, but she has now joined the HS club here in AZ and she has been told they do not want her to cork screw the ball. It was already time to get her a new ball and the VG was readily available. The ball rolls real smooth for her, but it is either rolling out and heading straight for the 3 or its hitting a light pocket and leaving the 10. We have a new oiler here in town and the amount of oil being put down is finally nice. So is everyone on board with me polishing the ball to make it hook more first instead of dropping the surface to 2000 or 1000?


NO!
Again, I would strongly recommend trying straight 4000 grit Abralon surface before trying any polish. Sand it with a 1000 grit Abralon pad, then a 2000 grit Abralon pad, then a 4000 grit pad to get it to a true 4000 grit Abralon surface.

If that still leaves weak 10 pins, then try a 2000 grit Abralon surface followed by a mild, light polish.

Sounds like a good plan!
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