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Miffy1980

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Natural no longe in production?
« on: May 27, 2010, 02:05:16 PM »
Is that true?
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LotsaBalls

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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 07:29:56 PM »
From what I have seen of the Hype is that it hooks at your toe. Not exactly what I am looking for when the lanes are hooking.
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themachine300

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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 07:38:52 PM »
I for one believe that the natural has some form of resin in it.  Mine flares alot, at least 4-5" inches with 1/4" spacings.  I have to throw it shiny, dull hooks at my feet, but I was expecting one big track of oil with minimual seperation.  I've never thrown urethane up until this ball so I wasn't sure if that happens with the older urethane's like the old school hammer balls too.  Some guys around here say its the core that causes that, I disagree.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 09:31:56 PM »
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Coverstock does not create flare.  It''s the core of the ball.  You can get a ball made of out of wood to flare if you could produce core inside of it.

Coverstock provides surface friction to the lane.

Edited on 6/6/2010 7:42 PM


Cant be true.. makes to much sense
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 09:45:32 PM »
fair enough, it just seems so weird b/c its urethane lol wasn''t expecting it
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 10:08:39 PM »
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From what I have seen of the Hype is that it hooks at your toe. Not exactly what I am looking for when the lanes are hooking.


It works pretty good on a wet/dry and short patterns.  Guys with lots of revs will see it hook early but it will arc to the pocket.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 10:10:14 PM »
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Coverstock does not create flare.  It''s the core of the ball.  You can get a ball made of out of wood to flare if you could produce core inside of it.

Coverstock provides surface friction to the lane.

Edited on 6/6/2010 7:42 PM


Yup, very true, my Rapid Fire Soild and T-roads flare less than my Natural.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 10:10:26 PM »
Find old vids like espn classic shows of Bob Learn Jr, Walter Ray, and Parker Bohn III throwing the Brunswick Rhino Urethane and Hammer Urethane equipment on TV and hooking the ball in 1985 almost identical to 1995.

Urethane with any kind of decent core will still hook plenty. Usually appears to be flatter on the backends compared to resin. Many people think the pearl urethane looks almost identical in reaction to resin. So maybe it requires the bowler to be the difference more then the ball. Imagine that.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 12:01:20 AM »
It's hard to compare eras because of the oiling patterns and oil volume.  

If you want to see a guy with the huge revs and ball control look for Jimmy Keeth. He makes Bob Learn look like Earl Anthony as far as revs are concerned.  According to the thread on the PBA dot com forums, Jimmy Keeth was tested at Kegel and his rev rate was either 712 or 722.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2010, 01:58:58 AM »
The naturals are not being made anymore from what I have been told.. but they were a hell of a ball... but hooked way more then it should have. To combat that I just drilled up one with a long pin and carry was rediculous. It was still a bit strong for a urethane ball, but I know many that have shot multiple 300's with the ball, so carry was never its weak point. If you want a urethane though or something that is for dry lanes.. look at the Seismic Desperado... now that is an awesome ball. The hype is a great ball as well, but it hooked alot for a urethane as well, I find myself using my ice storm when the lanes dry up!
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2010, 02:07:43 AM »
If the Natural was out of production, I might try to find one and stash it away... just in case my black Pure Hammer deceases somehow. It is also a resin/urethane blend cover ball, and a true beast - once you got it right. It was and is pretty sensitive to cover prep changes - with polish it was a hooking over/under horror, but with some surface and a 5x5 setup it is (at least for me) a very good light conditions ball. I'd assume that the Natural is overall pretty close in general utility.

I have seen a few in action. Best performance was in high rev guys hands, but they'd make any ball look good... low rev guys seem to be less successfull - I have even seen one as a pure spare ball.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2010, 08:32:27 PM »
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I for one believe that the natural has some form of resin in it.  Mine flares alot, at least 4-5" inches with 1/4" spacings.  I have to throw it shiny, dull hooks at my feet, but I was expecting one big track of oil with minimual seperation.  


That's what I have noticed with my Natural when I use side rotation with my characteristic high track.  Early move with a weaker hit.  When I relax and come straight up on the ball, boom.  Early but smooth and continuous reaction.  When the lanes really break down, this ball is pure-D money.  Ball is drilled pin over and between the fingers, CG kicked out slightly.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2010, 08:58:45 PM »
If you watch the vid of  Jimmy Keeth bowling he isn't in the 700 rev rate. The vid of him on youtube against WRW is the reason I say that. 500-700 revs is a lot and his ball reaction being in some from WRW isn't that dramatic. He cradles the ball and generates a lot of revs for the time, but no way it is that high.
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2010, 10:18:50 PM »
STILL in production!
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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 08:25:38 AM »
Thanks Tyler!
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r534me

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Re: Natural no longe in production?
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2010, 09:02:45 AM »
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If you watch the vid of  Jimmy Keeth bowling he isn''''t in the 700 rev rate. The vid of him on youtube against WRW is the reason I say that. 500-700 revs is a lot and his ball reaction being in some from WRW isn''''t that dramatic. He cradles the ball and generates a lot of revs for the time, but no way it is that high.
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I didn''t write he rolled 700 revs on TV.  I wrote he was tested at Kegel and he had 700 plus revs.  If you took the time to go to pba dot com you would have found that robert smith even responded to the thread.  Do you think Bob Vespi hooked it a lot?  Add a couple hundred more revs to the ball and think about what his reaction would have been.  

Here''s Maximum Bob using the same ball.  Jimmy Keeth had more revs than Robert Smith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9bnH614taA

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