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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: albrahal on January 26, 2009, 09:59:39 PM

Title: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: albrahal on January 26, 2009, 09:59:39 PM

I love the reaction I get from my EraserPBT and would like to stay with Storm for a heavy oil ball.  Any recommendations would be helpful.  Drill recommendations are welcome and please enclose diagrams if possible. I do not drill my own stuff but my driller will try about anything I ask him too.  I generally play 13-15 out to 7-8 on wood surfaces but I can play straighter if I need to.  

Thanks

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: NY Mike on January 27, 2009, 06:22:09 AM

I recently purchased the Storm Dimension which needs oil to perform.  I have
had the ball for three weeks, but it wasn't til last week that I got enough
oil for a full set to use it.  I only have four games on the ball and have shot 245-278-258-256.    My pro shop - senior PBA tour member says the Virtual Gravity is another strong choice, and has been flying off his shelves.  He doesn't like Storm but even drilled one up for himself.  As for layouts, best bet is to go to the Storm site and download the spec/layout sheets from the manufacturer.

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: Gazoo on January 27, 2009, 06:36:40 AM

Dimension if you like symetrical core reaction(more earlier rolling arc).
Virtual Gravity if you like asymetrical core reaction(more length with backend).
Pick your poison. Can't go wrong with either.
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: Gene J Kanak on January 27, 2009, 06:38:03 AM

The Virtual is a very good ball, but I don't think it's Storm's best option on heavier patterns, at least not at its 4000 abralon box finish. Out of the box, the ball actually gets a decent amount of length and is very strong off the spot down lane. If you want a ball that digs in early but still offers strong, predictable hook, I'd look at a Special Agent with some surface (500 abralon works great for me) or a T-Road Solid. I'm not saying the Virtual is bad on the contrary, I think it's very good in certain situations. But if you want a ball that will help you out on heavier, I'd look at the Special or T-Road first.
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: greenefam on January 27, 2009, 10:40:20 AM

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The Virtual is a very good ball, but I don't think it's Storm's best option on heavier patterns, at least not at its 4000 abralon box finish. Out of the box, the ball actually gets a decent amount of length and is very strong off the spot down lane.

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I agree with this comment and I would also kind of extend it to the Dimension as well.  I have both balls and in order to work as true heavy oil balls I have both of these balls at 1000.  For me the Dimension works better on heavy oil as a 'down and in' ball while the Virtual works better inside.

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: tuckingfenpin on January 27, 2009, 10:53:56 AM

I've heard (and personally seen) if you have a good amount of the hand, the VG is almost flat on the backend. People are over revving the ball and it just sits there in medium oil.

And no, it's not the drilling(s). Three seperate balls, drilled differently, 3 diff bowlers, all above 400 revs, and it's just flat on the backend.

One guy gave his ball to a lower rev house shot only player, similar speeds, the ball turned on a dime at 45 feet at least 8 boards movement.

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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: jwhaleyii on January 27, 2009, 10:56:50 AM

T-Road Solid For sure
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: Monster Pike on January 27, 2009, 11:25:21 AM

Tropical or Street Rod Pearl. just kidding, LOL.  Depending on what you want the ball to do.  Virtual, Dimension, T-Road solid.
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 27, 2009, 05:08:55 PM

I love my VG, and for those who say it does nothing on the back ends, if you have alot of revs lol, WHATEVER!!!!!!  I use my VG on a second shift league after a womens league and get plenty of backend and have the video's to prove it too.  just goto youtube and search coolluvr4u1976.

I can easily play left of 4th arrow and swing the ball out to 10 or the 5 board and still get the ball to turn hard.  I've left my ball in OOB condition cuz I like how the ball gets through the heads.  


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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: toomanytenpins on January 28, 2009, 02:26:50 PM

i have a t-road solid and a vg i dont know what he did to the t-road ,but mine is my dry lane ball,its absolutely the weakest ball i have. the vg on the other hand ,if you put it at a 1000 i would be really suprised if anything ouit hooks it.
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: riggs on January 28, 2009, 02:48:05 PM

Take the covers to the same point and a VG is going to outhook anything else Storm makes. The R2X is stronger than any other cover Storm has made, and VG is slightly stronger than DIMENSION due to stonger core. The TR SOLID and SPECIAL and ATTITUDE might be close but not the same cover strength. I have thrown all of those balls at 500 and 1,000 and I have yet to be able to use a VG at 1,000 and have not even tried 500.

And if you're not getting back-end in a VG something is screwy - i.e. ball rolling out, zero back-end period, wrong drilling.

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: Metal_rules on January 29, 2009, 07:44:24 AM

i am in the market for a ball just for heavy oil for tournament play. i am looking at the v.g.  --- but i have  seen some posts that the dimension and the "t road solid" has been mentioned.  i have seen the v.g. in action -- but mostly on ths -- not in tourney play.   is the v.g. the ball?? or not  --- i like to play a down and in shot, im not a cranker and i dont have the big revs. any input on this. thanks.

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: Nicanor on January 29, 2009, 08:54:47 AM

I have the same experience with the T-Road solid and the VG that Toomanytenpins mentioned above. Never had any luck with the T-Road solid and I'm sure its a great ball.  I just didn't match up well with the T-Road or the HyRoad.  Didn't try the pearl.


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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: thatg00se on January 29, 2009, 10:29:29 AM

The Dimension is a great oil ball for those that want a strong, arcing motion with control. I have the Dimension and the VG. Both are great pieces, but both have thier uses as well. It's a matter of preference and match up. You can't go wrong with either peice just understand what the layout/cover is going to give you.
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: actsbowler21 on January 29, 2009, 10:39:17 AM

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I've heard (and personally seen) if you have a good amount of the hand, the VG is almost flat on the backend. People are over revving the ball and it just sits there in medium oil.

And no, it's not the drilling(s). Three seperate balls, drilled differently, 3 diff bowlers, all above 400 revs, and it's just flat on the backend.

One guy gave his ball to a lower rev house shot only player, similar speeds, the ball turned on a dime at 45 feet at least 8 boards movement.

-edited for clarification and cuz i kant speall-
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I would personally like to see this happen. I have a 450 rev rate and this ball charges the pocket for me. I have yet to see the ball just flatten out on the back end for people..

For your situation albrahal, I would look at the Dimension or Virtual Gravity. With you being on wood surfaces, I wonder how much friction you are seeing. If you're seeing a lot of friction I would steer away from the more aggressive surfaces and go with the T-Road Solid. If you're not encountering a lot of backend friction, the Dimension or VG wouldn't be bad to look at. Without seeing how you bowl this would be my suggestion.



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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: tizzle on January 29, 2009, 11:20:04 AM

Agreed, I have thrown both, and they both give you totally different looks. The dimension will give you a much earlier roll to the pocket, which will be good on extremely heavy oil. The VG with enough surface will be more then enough on the backend in heavy oil. I would base the answer on your rev rate, if you have low revs, maybe the earlier rolling dimension will be the key to you, if you have mid to high revs, the VG will without a doubt come back with a vengeance after about 40 feet. Both are good balls, comes down to do you want to swing the ball or play down and in?

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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: toomanytenpins on January 31, 2009, 07:05:12 AM

i have seen the vg flatten out . last week there were three of us using the vg. all three had different rev rates and speeds.the one with the most revs was inconsistent and flat to the pocket,i am lower spedd and revs and the ball would jump on me if my shot wasnt perfect.the third guy had good speed and consistent roll,not as many revs as bowler one and he had 10 boards of area to work with. it was really unnerving.I do,however believe that this ball has a place in everyones bag because there will be a time ,as you get use to the ball,that you will be able to play most any part of the lane on most conditions. I cant say that about my cell,or the sauce that i sold. i need some oil to use mine,i shot it last night all three games sunday i only had one decent game with it,different shots,but it definitly is a ball you want in your bag
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Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: tizzle on January 31, 2009, 09:23:40 AM

If you want to stay storm the Dimension or VG is the ball to work with, if you are open to companies try out the Mega Friction from AMF. It gives me three additional boards on the backend then the VG gave me. The VG is an excellent ball though, you just have to play with the surface sometimes to get the reaction you want, which isn't a bad thing by any means!

Title: Re: Need Heavy Oil Ball
Post by: sherm390 on February 02, 2009, 12:46:35 AM

I agree with everyone that said Dimension...I also throw my Jolt Particle on heavy oiled lanes...
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