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bowl202

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Need more flare
« on: October 15, 2004, 05:21:37 AM »
I got an xxxtreme with the pin below my ring finger and the rad positoned to the left of my thumb, no weight hole. I am a right handed bowler.  This is a very mild drilling.

Is there a way to drill a hole to create more flare on the ball?  If so, will it flare alot more or just a little?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Goof1073

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 01:39:59 PM »
Why was the ball drilled "label" if you are looking for flare?
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bowl202

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 01:50:08 PM »
Chris,

Typically I have alot of revs and have no problem getting the ball to move.  Last year I rolled a duece, which I may go back to, with the same drilling.  I averaged 204 and had no problems.  I bowl on first shift on sythetics.  This year the lanes are even more flooded with lots of carry down.  This gives me some problems during the first game.  I was just thinking if i could tweak the ball a bit, I might be able to overcome this problem.

Even though I'm averaging 210 so far this year, I feel I could do even better.

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Goof1073

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 01:56:24 PM »
Problem with putting a weight hole in a ball that's drilled label is that you will typically remove what little side weight you already have and end up with negative weight.  This will make the ball hook a bit earlier and effectively less.  You could alway put the weight hole past your VAL and at an angle to help get a little more flip out of the ball.  

Honestly, it sounds like you might have just over estimated the ball's potential and drilled it too weak.  Try the weight hole, but you might just have to plug the ball to ge the reaction you are looking for.
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bowl202

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 02:03:30 PM »
I appreciate the response.

Thanks

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Ragnar

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 02:05:14 PM »
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Problem with putting a weight hole in a ball that's drilled label is that you will typically remove what little side weight you already have and end up with negative weight.  This will make the ball hook a bit earlier and effectively less.  You could alway put the weight hole past your VAL and at an angle to help get a little more flip out of the ball.  

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Goof, couldn't you put the wt. hole on the other side (Neg) of the ball?  I remember doing that very long ago on one of the first Track balls (Had no idea what I was doing) and got a very nice reaction.
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Goof1073

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 02:09:32 PM »
Ragnar...  You could put a weight hole on the other side of the ball and add positive side weight to the ball.  However, this will just help to pull the ball down the lane and possibly flip a tad harder.  But since Bowl202 is having problems in carrydown I'm not sure having the ball track further down the lane is the answer.  That you and would have to place the hole as not to track over it unless it was a small / deep hole.

Bowl202...  I would go back to your shop / driller and start talking to him about the problem.  He has got to know the local conditions better than us so he has a better insight to that and your game.  Maybe he can think of something better to do to the ball.
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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 03:30:02 PM »
The way you have it drilled is not good on carrydown. That is a medium length drill with mild backend. You need a forward roll drill for carrydown. In other words put the RAD on your VAL maybe even past it.
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Traumabill

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 04:45:20 PM »
How close is the RAD to your track?  At the Storm seminar I went to this week,
they recommended not putting the RAD any closer than two inches from your track
and really recommended against 'mild' i.e. left of thumb-  drills due to unpredictability.  I know hindsight is 20/20, but a plug and re-drill might be the way to go...


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bowl202

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 06:28:08 PM »
Thanks for your replies.  The Rad is about an inch to the left. I cant complain too much, I'm bowling very well.  I'll Probably take my older duece and have it plugged and redrilled.

I'll ask my local pro shop what is best for me.  I'm thinking label leverage, because I still want that predictable arc hook. (no snap).

Thanks all
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charlest

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Re: Need more flare
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 06:54:19 PM »
1. Try scuffing the ball lightly with a green or maroon nylon pad by hand. Earlier roll will make the ball flare more. More flare also makes the ball start to hook earlier; so a LIGHT scuffing will do the same. It is the least change you can make; it can always be plugged and redrilled.

2. In theory, a weight hole 2 1/2 to 3" below your PAP will generally make a high RG differential ball flare a lot more. This has been done successfully with several balls, by different people on this website, myself included. It will remove both side, top and thumb weight. Your driller must not remove so much that the ball becomes illegal; he should know the numbers (1 oz side, 1 oz thumb, 3 oz top or bottom)

These static weight removals are significantly less effective in dynamic cored balls than they used to be in pancake core balls. The resulting negative side and thumb weight will make the ball roll earlier, to a very slight degree, but the change in the core by the weight hole will have a much greater effect on the flare. I would suggest this as a 2nd alternative; as stated by others, the ball can always be plugged and re-drilled for earlier roll via a stronger pin and/or MB positioning.

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