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LuckyLefty

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X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« on: May 08, 2006, 02:05:36 AM »
Instead of a review...I thought I 'd post this here.

Let me start by saying there is some storm stuff I like.
My favorite ball right now is my Hot Rod Super Sport pearl.
One of my favorite tournament balls is an old ElNino Wrath.

One of the strongest balls I've ever thrown is a Super Charge(can you say super fast rev up).

BUT...

Over the past coupld of months I've drilled up an X factor and an Triple X factor.  .....Ba dum....

My initial impression is despite the big flare specs  I find both balls to be surprisingly....smooth.  Scared off by the big flare specs I drilled both balls similar to a .49 flare diff Ego from Columbia.  Noticeable about both balls is they are ....less even with their .58 flare diff.

Both balls rev up fairly late and both balls are noticebale for their smoothness off the dry.

In comparing to other storm balls I have they are less than the El Nino Wrath and less than the Flashpoint i have that I drilled strong!

I know that the coverstocks are the new softer styles of coverstock and this may explain the slower rev up...but in retrospect I wish I had drilled these balls with pins down(as core seems to rev fairly slow) and gone with stronger amounts of flare potential used.

Both balls are drilled with pin over ring but a little offset towards PAP(say 4 3/4 from pap and the X factor is mass bias under thumb.  the XXX factor is mass bias out two inches.

THe XXX factor is still in break in phase and frequently my balls get better as they track in!  The XXX factor with some time and tweaks may end up a go long smooth powerful swerve ball but as of now...I call it less than my stronger drilled hot series balls!

IN comparison to other skid snap pearl balls I have and have had they would be placed in this order for strengh.

Columbia Ego(action core), El Nino Wrath, Brunswick Impact Zone, Battle Zone Bullet, Columbia Throttle, Morich Sahara, Flashpoint, Eraser, Triple X factor, X factor.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I still remain surpised at the loping rev up motion.  Slower reving than the hot series for me!
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LuckyLefty

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2006, 11:27:28 AM »
anyone else?

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2006, 02:41:34 PM »
I get the same type of reaction with my Paradigm.  I have never seen the big snap motion that everyone gets from Storm, but then again, we're both lefties and I've seen this with other lefties also.  Probably the fastest revving motion I have ever had was my Recharge, and I have owned 4 masterline balls (X factor, Vertigo, Ace, and Paradigm).  My opinion, probably greater friction between ball and lane with the aggressive covers, we might be using balls that are too aggressive for the amount of oil we are bowling on.
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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 03:05:13 PM »
Now surprisingly...I get a tremendous motion with my Super Charge(vigourous, angular and ripping!!) pin over bridge.

I get a big motion from my El Nino Wrath..rip!

I get a big motion from my FlashPoint(3 3/4 pin to pap)

I get a rippin backend from my HR Super Sport pearl.  (also my Deuce)

Lastly these are redrills and maybe if a 1 3/8 slug is used for thumb it just affects the mass bias too much.  Except for the Supercharge...all the other storm balls above are drilled stronger(I guess the high flare statistics made me drill this weaker).

BUT...it is the same drill as my EGO from Columbia which supplies so much horsepower at the back of the lane(it's usually a little too much).

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I believe if drilled stronger these would be a bunch stronger!  I think!

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 03:15:36 PM »
I've had bad luck drilling balls weak.  My Ragin Banshee is drilled weak and doesn't make the move I would expect from it on the back end.  It's smooth, but doesn't handle the volume of oil that I thought it would.  It lopes down the lane and doesn't rev up like my HRSSP.  I tend to leave flat 10's with this ball a lot.  I don't have the revs to make up for weak drillings, so I depend on the cover and the core to get my ball moving on the back end.

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 07:03:55 PM »
Note...a slightly weaker drilling I'm getting more reaction from my Hot Rod Super Sport PEarl!

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 11:10:08 PM »
My HRSSP is staked leverage compared to my Ragin which is a label leverage drilling.  Both of the pins are in almost the same position, 3" from PAP, but the CG on the Ragin is at grip center.  I know people say that cg doesn't matter, but I can sure tell a difference in ball reactions between the two.

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 11:41:50 PM »
Luckylefty, you also have to take into account the nature of high end storm stuff.  They always tend to get down the lane very easily.  With the MB under the thumb on the X-Factor, it won't want to make a quick direction change.  That is more of a super symetrical drill, which really smooths out the core.  To my eyes, the XXX never had the snap motion of the X-factor (with the X having a skid/snap drill).  I know storm tried to get a very close reaction out of the XXX to the X, but they did not accomplish it.  I have always seen the XXX start up earlier and have a smooth break point than the X, even with the same drill.  These could be reasons on why you aren't seeing booming cornering abilities.  Depending on how much weight you have to work with, you could try falre incresing holes to try and get them to kick more, but I don't see the X-Factor skid/snapping with the MB in a weaker position.
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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2006, 07:56:02 AM »
I agree on the X factor...but the XXX factor with the strong MB has surprised me.

Note I have a Columbia Drive drilled like the X factor(second drill) mass bias under thumb...good kick at hole though rounded!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS note X factor is smooth like I wanted it but smoother...XXX factor is smooth but way too smooth for drilling...both weaker than lower end stuff I've tried and seen.

REgards,

Luckylefy
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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2006, 03:09:43 AM »
When my X-Factor was new, I would describe its motion as a VERY strong power-arc, with a deliberate move at the breakpoint.

It was never "angular" for me, but I specified I didn't want it to be angular when I had it drilled. Any ball I seem to go out and purposefully have drilled to be "angular" usually ends up too prone to over/under, and gets too unpredictable.

Having said that, I scored better with that X-Factor than anything before or since. Unfortunately, 350 or so games tends to have a negative effect on a ball's reaction. (g) My X-Factor now has an arc move, but not a power arc. But overall, it's still pretty strong.

The last Storm ball I had that was "angular" was the Thunder Storm. I've had two of them and they both want to jump off the dry.

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 09:29:00 AM »
Why are we talking about MB placements in relation to gripping holes?  With the seeming trend of tracks lowering with axis coordinates less than 5" and verticals above an 1" it's hard to determine how strong a MB is when under the thumb.

The XFactors I drilled in the past always loped and never really picked up unless I used MB angles of 60* or less.  Generally around 45* was a good compromise of read and strength downlane.  I went with MB angles of 75* to 135* when playing drier heads and hooking conditions to get more push.

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Re: X factor and XXX factor, slower rev up
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 12:44:51 PM »
me pappy is 5 1/4 and 1/2 inch up.

Yes...they seem weaker than other mass bias stuff I've used.

However with some adjustments to fingerweight I have the XXX factor working nicely!  Smoother than I intended but carrying decently none the less!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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