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jman76

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Phaze and Fight
« on: January 19, 2016, 08:44:13 AM »
Have any of the staffers out there gotten their hands on either the new Phaze or Fight? Very curious about both of these new balls.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2016, 08:04:46 AM »
Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on February 04, 2016, 08:23:56 AM
After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid.  It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.

IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing.  However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers.  I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.

The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.

The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2016, 09:45:58 AM »
Quote from: westtex on February 05, 2016, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on February 04, 2016, 08:23:56 AM
After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid.  It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.

IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing.  However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers.  I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.

The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.

The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2016, 11:21:49 PM »
Quote from: westtex on February 05, 2016, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on February 04, 2016, 08:23:56 AM
After a few more games with the Phaze, I can definitively say it's a step down from the Hyper Cell Skid.  It slots in below the Skid and above a Rocket that I have a motion hole layout on.

IMO, the Phaze is not the high hooking ball that some think it should be because of the "stickiness" marketing.  However, it's is a very good ball for medium conditions for most bowlers.  I don't think it will be a dud, it's a very good ball - it just may be a different ball than some are expecting.

The main issue is that with the Optimus Pearl and the IQ Tour 30 already there for medium oil conditions + the Rocket and Sky Rocket being pretty good on Medium as well, Storm has basically 5 balls now that can over lap.

The Phase needed to be a symmetric power Pearl to slot under the Lock and eventually replace the Optimus; especially with the marketing and price point.
I will wait for a pearl Lock --- I hope!
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 02:45:39 AM »
Here's some small clips of me throwing my Fight after our men's league Wednesday. I wasn't planning on it so i was just using my phone and propped it against the handle of my bag. The outside was pretty blown up. It wasn't quite enough ball at the start of the night, but after the first transition it was great for about 4-5 games

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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2016, 12:13:22 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on February 06, 2016, 02:45:39 AM
Here's some small clips of me throwing my Fight after our men's league Wednesday. I wasn't planning on it so i was just using my phone and propped it against the handle of my bag. The outside was pretty blown up. It wasn't quite enough ball at the start of the night, but after the first transition it was great for about 4-5 games


Looks like you polished it?
What is the layout?
Doesn't appear to have any backend whatsoever.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2016, 12:22:36 PM »
Not polished, Its box finish. Layout is 50 x 4 3/8 x 50. The outside was torched, I could have easily been throwing my Ride but wanted to throw the new ball some more
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2016, 06:11:10 AM »
For me the Phaze is earlier and more even down the lane than the Skid. The skid has more backend and is a true skid hook ball as the phaze is earlier and more sweeping. Both balls have about the same hook potential, maybe a board nod to the Phaze. I've got 3 games on it and the carry is not to my liking. Doesn't seem drive through the deck like it should. I may take the cover down to 4000.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2016, 09:46:56 AM »
Now that I've got more games on it and have seen others throw it, here's the deal on the Phaze:

The Phaze has a hook set type roll.  The hook phase for the Phaze is the shortest of any ball I've ever thrown - it transitions from skid to roll so quickly (and for whatever reason, I could not put that into words earlier).    I think this ball will be a favorite of high rev players on harder patterns (Dom Barrett just threw a 300 in the TOC with the Phaze) who want control.  I am not sure how well it will do amongst the THS crowd who want to see flip and continuation.  This ball does not do that...

The Fight does though.  The Fight has the longest hook phase I have ever seen in a ball.  Storm has marketed it as a ball that "retains axis rotation".  I will attest that this is not BS in marketing.  It actually does this.  I think it has a shot shape most house bowlers will love.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2016, 06:02:51 PM »
Anymore thoughts, reviews on these two balls?
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2016, 06:25:02 PM »
Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2016, 06:34:33 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on February 13, 2016, 06:25:02 PM
Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.

As you don't see many Second dimensions...most say my 2D is super hook stop.  I'm going get my hands on a phaze...for sure.

I love that reaction. 
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2016, 07:11:51 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on February 13, 2016, 06:25:02 PM
Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.

I did not see this in the bowlingball.com vid
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jman76

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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2016, 08:35:16 PM »
I have the Phaze and really love the ball motion. It's not a hook monster, but I like the control of this ball. It's great for medium lanes and I love the carry on light pocket hits. I think with all of the hype everyone thought this ball was going to be a hook monster, but it's not. I think it works perfectly for what it's intended for, which are medium conditions. It is super tacky and the only downside is the lemon tart scent. Kinda smells like Pine Sol to me. My gf has the Fight and the carry of this ball in unreal. The Iron Cross weight block lives up to it's name. I see it being for a little heavier oil conditions and I would compare the motion to the IQ Tour Nano. It's candy apple scent is very pleasant. I think both balls do exactly what they are intended for.
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2016, 07:14:33 PM »
I have my IQ 30 with a 4 x 5 x 1 for a skid snap response.  Very pleased with it, but it was very touchy on houses with strong backends. I ordered the Phaze, just to try it out.   I put a 5 x 4 x 3 for length and backend.  I wanted it to be more controllable.  I am trying to throw the ball straighter so I can bowl better on sport conditions.  I have been extremely pleased with the control I have.  I was concerned that when I moved in I would lose carry.  I still have good carry with the ball even when I have to move in.  I really haven't had a good bench mark ball, but I think the Phase will be it.  Now I have ordered the Fight and will drill it to start rolling earlier, to see if I can conquer the Nationals pattern. 
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Re: Phaze and Fight
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2016, 08:09:33 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on February 13, 2016, 06:25:02 PM
Phase = Hook Stop. If you like seeing this and can trap the pocket with this motion, you will strike, a lot.

Exactly what I see out of this ball. I saw a lot of guys trying to force this reaction at the TAT and some this week at the ABT. I talked to a staffer who's exact quote was "I don't know where I'll fit this in the bag. It's just too early to tell. But it will look flashy and impressive on a house shot when everything works. It's about as strong as my Uproar."
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