Post by: David Lee Yskes on March 10, 2004, 11:48:21 AM
well my cousin won a Super Charge from ebay, well when he got the ball it had a 6 1/2 inch pin, with 1.68top weight. well he had the box in his car, along with the ball, and on the box, it had a sticker saying PRO PIN. he also said it came with a specific instruction book for drillings.
Anyways his ball got drilled with the Pin out on his PAP, and the CG is way over in the Negative side, about 1inch above his thumb. I couldnt believe this drilling, but he told me the ball hooks like crazy lol.
I am wondering if all PRO PINS come like this, and need a drilling something like this too?
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Post by: David Lee Yskes on March 11, 2004, 04:37:15 AM
but yes he said it took a while for his friend to drill up the ball. And i would think it is a blem, but who knows.
I did see, a guy using a old T2rhino that had a 8inch pin, the CG was below the thumb and the Pin was a couple inches above the fingers lol. and it had a Nice 2 in the middle of the B
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Post by: cgilyeat on March 11, 2004, 06:27:53 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on March 11, 2004, 06:49:42 AM
Its amazing at some of the prices people are paying for these supposed "pro pin" balls..
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Post by: brimar on March 11, 2004, 10:32:49 AM
Post by: Ishmael on March 11, 2004, 10:35:18 AM
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Post by: 1fife on March 11, 2004, 10:36:05 AM
they are just trying to make it seem more appealing
1.68 top and 6.5 pin
both of those would make it a blem
add the 2 together and he got ripped big time if he paid more than $40
Edited on 3/11/2004 1:26 PM
Post by: Nollster on March 11, 2004, 10:48:28 AM
Post by: brimar on March 11, 2004, 11:08:46 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on March 11, 2004, 01:02:44 PM
Post by: drillwizard on March 11, 2004, 01:10:45 PM
Post by: BadShot on March 11, 2004, 01:15:53 PM
the "pro pins" are simply longer pin length balls, like 4" plus to 6" plus. you can get one when you or your pro shop order a ball if you'd like. these longer pins are used for different types of drillings, like pin above fingers and still have thumb wieght. just different, not necessarily "exotic."
here's a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3665234208&category=20848
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Post by: pnj1967 on March 11, 2004, 01:19:07 PM
I just went to bowling balls on e bay typed in Pro Pin, and to look in titles and descriptions and a page came up with them.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 11, 2004, 02:18:50 PM
The thing is, is that people are paying much more than a regular ball. They think they are getting something special, but really just a blem that you said Storm has labeled Pro Pin.
But I don't think the seller minds the people's ignorance!!
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Post by: Storm Tech on March 11, 2004, 02:22:09 PM
The PRO-PIN balls are ones that we regularly use to supply the National Staff players on the truck. Frequently the guys out on the tour will use a ball with the pin above the fingers, cg and/or RAD swung way out towards the PAP, and a large extra hole. This layout generally clears the heads well and still provides heavy midlane roll. I am actually taking a Triple X just like this one with me to the ABC Nationals this weekend.
These balls really roll great. You will get more midlane roll out of a 5 to 5.5" pin from PAP than ever before.
To help with layout options, special drill instructions are included in each box as well.
Good luck everyone...
Steve Kloempken
Post by: NoNeed4Revs on March 11, 2004, 02:35:56 PM
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Great topic everyone!
The PRO-PIN balls are ones that we regularly use to supply the National Staff players on the truck. Frequently the guys out on the tour will use a ball with the pin above the fingers, cg and/or RAD swung way out towards the PAP, and a large extra hole. This layout generally clears the heads well and still provides heavy midlane roll. I am actually taking a Triple X just like this one with me to the ABC Nationals this weekend.
These balls really roll great. You will get more midlane roll out of a 5 to 5.5" pin from PAP than ever before.
To help with layout options, special drill instructions are included in each box as well.
Good luck everyone...
Steve Kloempken
So then Steve, do you care to explain why every other ball company actually discounts these "pro pin" balls and sells them as blems?
If anyone buys this, I have a broken down car I'll sell you with a small "Mechanic's Engine" markup.
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Post by: DP3 on March 11, 2004, 03:38:42 PM
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Post by: mrfjmt on March 11, 2004, 04:10:56 PM
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The pro pin are legit. I was reading an article about pin placement . The article said if you plan to compete at the pro level , you better have a ball with a 5 or 6 pin in you arsenal .
Pin placement and "pro pins" are not the same thing. A ball with a 5" or 6" pin placement relative to your PAP can be achieved in many ways, with and without balls that have 5-6 inch pin-to-CG distances.
Post by: thunder on March 11, 2004, 04:31:11 PM
The $40 extra is due to the bid process on Ebay, not from Storm. You get what you pay for...The bowlers I know who purchased the Pro Pins from Pro Shops have been more than pleased with the value of these balls...The results speak for themselves...Storm maunfactured equipment has won 11 of 19 Tour stops, and many of these wins came with the Pro Pin series....The XXX is the hottest ball in the country...
Thunder
Post by: only storm 4 me on March 11, 2004, 04:32:32 PM
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Post by: Storm Tech on March 11, 2004, 04:47:26 PM
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So then Steve, do you care to explain why every other ball company actually discounts these "pro pin" balls and sells them as blems?
If anyone buys this, I have a broken down car I'll sell you with a small "Mechanic's Engine" markup.
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Shizzam!
Storm has no control over what they sell for on EBAY. That is just the bid process. What we sell them for may/may not be reflected in the price of the ball to the consumer.
These balls are sent out to the PBA National Tour Truck. This is a fact. And Pete Weber and Ryan Shafer and Brian Himmler and many other professionals often use these PRO-PIN balls to make tv shows and earn a living. This is also a fact.
The following are a few FACTS on balls such as the PRO-PINS, which have the weight block or core shifted away from the center of the ball.
* Enhanced dynamics
* Stronger preferred spin axis
* More drilling versatility
* Superior reaction characteristics
* Enables drillers to use larger extra holes increasing flare potential
and ball reaction
Everything in my previous post was true and correct. Ask any skilled player and they will tell you that different oil patterns and different lane surfaces call for a variety of equipment. If you use only pin-in balls, for example, you will definitely be at a disadvantage on many occasions.
If you have anymore questions regarding the comparison of performance of a bowling ball with a pin closer to the center of gravity versus one with the pin further away, feel free to call me. We'll even pay for the call. 800-369-4402.
Regards,
Steve Kloempken
Post by: northface28 on March 11, 2004, 04:51:08 PM
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Post by: drillwizard on March 11, 2004, 04:51:50 PM
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 11, 2004, 04:57:29 PM
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Post by: NoNeed4Revs on March 11, 2004, 05:03:37 PM
If the balls are blems, call them blems like every other company. If the balls are fine, as Storm says they are, then they should be sold with the same box and labels as every other ball. There is no special name for balls with 0-1" pins, so why for balls with 5-6" pins? It's like throwing "Limited Edition!" on 1 of every 5 balls off the production line, just to dupe consumers and create a buzz.
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Post by: thunder on March 11, 2004, 05:28:33 PM
Have you ever considered becoming a private investigator...??
GO BACK TO SLEEP...
Thunder
Post by: brimar on March 11, 2004, 06:40:28 PM
Post by: Ishmael on March 12, 2004, 08:25:21 AM
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* More drilling versatility
Storm Tech, would you care to explain this point? Obviously you can do some specific layouts with long pin outs that you cannnot do with shorter pins, but that does not equal versatility.
Post by: Cbjdc on March 12, 2004, 12:09:01 PM
Post by: CoachTim on March 12, 2004, 02:05:59 PM
I guess for some of these guys/gals, they really don't understand exactly what a pin-in/pin-out does. A Pin-in 0-2" will create an earlier roll, the ball will roll-up early and can be extremely effective for someone with less hand. It will give them the reaction (sort-of)like a guy with hand.
ON-THE-OTHER-HAND....A ball with a pin-out will allow a guy with alot of hand to play a NORMAL LINE(less-drastic)the ball will read the mid-lane much better and get-down-the-lane easier and then savagely read the dry for a LEFT-TURN-CLYDE. That is the way it has been explained to me. So as far as the PRO-PIN is concerned perhaps it is a "PRO-PIN" for those with tons of hand and has trouble getting the ball down the lane before over-reacting or reacting early..
Post by: applegam on March 12, 2004, 02:18:53 PM
Post by: kingswingin on March 12, 2004, 04:41:45 PM
**Golden Nugget - PRO PIN 25% off REG price - 15lb and 16lbs $149.95
**Uranium - PRO PIN 25% off REG price - 16lb $149.95
But they are apparently charging LESS for them.
Food for thought. . .
Post by: Juggernaut on March 12, 2004, 05:03:06 PM
He has gone from a 190 average last year to leading the house with a 225 average and has shot 2 8oo's this year.
The ball is very smooth and controlled and carries virtually everything. I have even thought of getting a long pin ball just to see if it was a fluke or if it was for real. Now I am beginning to think it may be for real.
If he swings it a bit, it just reads the dry and rolls home smoothly and strikes. If he pulls it, it just sets in the oil and rolls right before the rack and strikes. I don't know for sure if it is the ball or what, but he's never been able to do this before, and he's never averaged over 195.
Think what you will, but it definitely works for him!
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