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no300yet

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R2S coverstock
« on: November 10, 2007, 12:30:25 PM »
Has anyone have problems with this coverstock in solid, pearl, or hybrid form? Would the solid soak up oil faster and die sooner?

I am really interested in a T-Road or Surefire......

Thanks!
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 08:37:50 PM »
It will last long enough that you will have plenty of time to get a 300!

REgards,

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Dan Belcher

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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2007, 11:14:02 AM »
I've got probably 100 games on my Special Agent by now.  I've done oil extraction on it once at around 60 games, clean it immediately after every set with Storm Reacta-Clean, and deep clean it about once every week or two with Clean & Dull.  No noticable loss in reaction.  It might be like one or two boards weaker than it was at 15 games, but it's still a whole lot of ball and carries very well.
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2007, 05:05:18 PM »
Maintenance is a must, as Belcher notes very well! One thing to add - use those Ab pads to keep it as whatever surface you want. I have R2S balls with hundreds of games on them that I still am using.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 06:38:15 PM »
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Maintenance is a must, as Belcher notes very well! One thing to add - use those Ab pads to keep it as whatever surface you want. I have R2S balls with hundreds of games on them that I still am using.
Absolutely.  I did a light resurface on my Special Agent when I did the oil extraction -- sanded it down to 800, then 1000, then 2000.  It brought it back to basically out-of-the-box performance levels.
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 07:16:57 PM »
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Has anyone have problems with this coverstock in solid, pearl, or hybrid form? Would the solid soak up oil faster and die sooner?

I am really interested in a T-Road or Surefire......

Thanks!


In case anyone has told you the opposite:
- no balls "die" from oil soaking, but all do lose some to a lot of their performance over time.
- the duller a ball is and more you expose it to oil, the quicker it will LOSE some of its performance over time.
- all resin balls should be cleaned immediately after any use and before putting them back in your bag. All particle balls are resin because they all have a resin base. All balls should be treated with a DEEP cleaner such as Clean and Dull, every 15 - 40 games; it removes some oil just barely below the surface of the cover. This will slow down the performance deterioration to some degree, again depending on the ball and its absorption rate.
- all resin coverstocks differ in their rate of absorption (or if the cover is made by Ebonite, differ in the rate that plasticizers migrate to the surface in the track area). Some do it faster; some do it so lower. ALL do it. Period.
- all balls, if you use them regularly, MUST be treated, in some fashion or another, to either extract the oil or remove the plasticzer, depending on the amount of oil absorbed, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR PERFORMANCE.
-Some must be treated every 60 games; some must be treated every 250 games; some, maybe longer than that. It all depends on 40 or 50 factors.
- you are the sole and final judge of when to treat a ball. You must observe what it does and on what changing conditions it does it. There is no one to blame but you, if a ball does not perform over time.

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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2007, 11:57:29 PM »
Thank you very much to all of you! I was a little worried mainly because I read about a couples of Agents "cracking". I have pretty much decided on the Sure Fire.

It is intended for medium oil with box finish at 4000 Abrolon; which means that it can easily handle more oil at 1500-2000. Sounds like a good deal.......

Edited on 11/12/2007 1:03 AM

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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2007, 07:44:01 AM »
Not being a pro shop owner, what should one expect to pay for oil extricating procedure?  Clean & dull looks like an in between thing?
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2007, 10:14:25 AM »
For my deep oil cleansing, I use the hot water treatment.

Items needed:
Bucket big enough for your ball
Some dish detergent
Hot water

Fill up the bucket with a bit of dish soap and hot water, dunk the ball. Leave it in there for say 15, 20 minutes. The heat from the water draws the oil out (like baking, but safer), and the soap gets it off the ball (like a dirty pan). Then dump the water. Upon first dump, in my experiences, the water is murky with the oil it took out from the ball. Then refill, and repeat the process. I do my process in 3 stages, the first two with dish soap, the third with just water. Then let the ball sit and dry somewhere, well, dry. It takes my Passion a few days to dry. I did that to my Passion after it was DRENCHED (people thought I polished it it was so shiny) and it was actually stronger than I remember it when I first threw it. That may have something to do with my technique more than the ball, but either the ball was hooking through ice again.

Hope this helps!
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2007, 02:43:22 PM »
The R2S coverstocks are the best I have ever dealt with.  I am actually starting to purchase all the R2S equipment, and weeding out the rest.  

The duller pieces will need maintenance, but I know someone who has the T-road pearl, and they are not very good with maintenance.  This ball hooked as much in the end of the year, as it did at the beginning.

I clean my equipment, before I put it back in my bag, and I never have an oil problem.

The key with Duller equipment, find the AB pad, or a scotch pad that gives you the desired reaction you are looking for, then after everytime you use it, clean and scrub with that particular pad by hand everytime, then you know what you will be pulling out whenever you need it.

Also, watch your grips, keep up on those as well, a grip will wear out faster than you think, so over time, that will cause a change as well...
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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2007, 05:20:28 PM »
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Not being a pro shop owner, what should one expect to pay for oil extricating procedure?  Clean & dull looks like an in between thing?
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Use of an actual Rejuvenator or a Revivor oven in a pro shop goes for $20 - 25. It should include the whole process.
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J_Mac

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Re: R2S coverstock
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2007, 05:23:04 PM »
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Not being a pro shop owner, what should one expect to pay for oil extricating procedure?  Clean & dull looks like an in between thing?


Local shop charges $35 for a Hook Again treatment.  This includes a complete resurface as well since he opens up the pores before putting it in the compound.
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